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<blockquote data-quote="Nagol" data-source="post: 6327879" data-attributes="member: 23935">Unless the caster forces disadvantage.&nbsp; And Heroes' Feast costs 1,000 gp per casting so I suspect a random day is unlikely to see its use (you pointed it out indirectly; I'm just calling the material cost out explicitly).Let's take your same situation, but tweak the numbers slightly.Cuthgar started with the default array 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8 and he's human so that pushed it to 16, 15, 14, 13, 11, 9Str 16, Con 15, Dex 13, Int 9, Wis 11, Cha 14.Over his adventuring career he gained 14 points Str +4, Con +5, Dex + 1, Wis +2, Cha +2So he now has Str 20, Con 20, Dex 14, Int 9, Wis 13, Cha 16.Wisdom save +2So Cuthgar has a 35% chance of success against Bosniak, a wizard half his level.&nbsp; If he uses his daily Indomitable, his success rate goes up to 58%.&nbsp; Bosniak better have a Plan B.Now let's replace Bosniak with the group's nemesis Glanvar.&nbsp; Glanvar is only a couple of levels behind Cuthgar and has max Int.&nbsp; His DC is 8 + 6 + 5 = 19.So Cuthgar has a 20% chance to save.&nbsp; If he has Indomitable available, that rises to a whopping 36%.*edit* whoops I was too generous!&nbsp; Wis save is only +1!&nbsp; His chances are actually 30% / 51% and 15% / 28% respectively.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nagol, post: 6327879, member: 23935"] Unless the caster forces disadvantage. And Heroes' Feast costs 1,000 gp per casting so I suspect a random day is unlikely to see its use (you pointed it out indirectly; I'm just calling the material cost out explicitly). Let's take your same situation, but tweak the numbers slightly. Cuthgar started with the default array 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8 and he's human so that pushed it to 16, 15, 14, 13, 11, 9 Str 16, Con 15, Dex 13, Int 9, Wis 11, Cha 14. Over his adventuring career he gained 14 points Str +4, Con +5, Dex + 1, Wis +2, Cha +2 So he now has Str 20, Con 20, Dex 14, Int 9, Wis 13, Cha 16. Wisdom save +2 So Cuthgar has a 35% chance of success against Bosniak, a wizard half his level. If he uses his daily Indomitable, his success rate goes up to 58%. Bosniak better have a Plan B. Now let's replace Bosniak with the group's nemesis Glanvar. Glanvar is only a couple of levels behind Cuthgar and has max Int. His DC is 8 + 6 + 5 = 19. So Cuthgar has a 20% chance to save. If he has Indomitable available, that rises to a whopping 36%. *edit* whoops I was too generous! Wis save is only +1! His chances are actually 30% / 51% and 15% / 28% respectively. [/QUOTE]

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