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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 6328102" data-attributes="member: 11821">You're still going to be losing that war. Maybe not as quickly, but it'll still happen.There's two factors contributing to this. (1) You will still be short by 3 on the proficiency bonus when it's all said and done, and (2) you will probably not increase that secondary stat to 20, whereas the guy setting the DC has no reason not to.In the example of a 20th-level Wis 12 Fighter vs. a 20th-level Int 20 Wizard, you're looking at +4 vs. DC 19 instead of +1 vs. DC 19. An improvement, but still not great.&nbsp; If the Fighter had spent a ludicrous amount of stat bumps getting to a 20 Wisdom, it becomes +8 vs. DC 19, which is still no better than 50-50.Which - again - might be fine. But how are your Intelligence saves now? Charisma saves? You didn't put anything there, obviously, because you just spent all of them resisting Wisdom saves.So let's flip it around to [MENTION=12306]Kraydak[/MENTION]'s suggestion at level 20.20th-level Wis 12 Fighter would have +8 vs. DC 19 again, or 50-50. Maybe this is too good for something you've invested nothing in, or maybe it's just right. He'd have +17 vs. Strength saves, which personally strikes me as a bit too much.Yeah, I tend to agree. Basically the same in RC D&amp;D. You can have real, noticeable strengths and weaknesses without an 11-point spread between them. That's kinda the point behind bounded accuracy, I thought.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 6328102, member: 11821"] You're still going to be losing that war. Maybe not as quickly, but it'll still happen. There's two factors contributing to this. (1) You will still be short by 3 on the proficiency bonus when it's all said and done, and (2) you will probably not increase that secondary stat to 20, whereas the guy setting the DC has no reason [I]not[/I] to. In the example of a 20th-level Wis 12 Fighter vs. a 20th-level Int 20 Wizard, you're looking at +4 vs. DC 19 instead of +1 vs. DC 19. An improvement, but still not great. If the Fighter had spent a ludicrous amount of stat bumps getting to a 20 Wisdom, it becomes +8 vs. DC 19, which is still no better than 50-50. Which - again - [I]might [/I]be fine. But how are your Intelligence saves now? Charisma saves? You didn't put anything there, obviously, because you just spent all of them resisting Wisdom saves. So let's flip it around to [MENTION=12306]Kraydak[/MENTION]'s suggestion at level 20. 20th-level Wis 12 Fighter would have +8 vs. DC 19 again, or 50-50. Maybe this is too good for something you've invested nothing in, or maybe it's just right. He'd have +17 vs. Strength saves, which personally strikes me as a bit too much. Yeah, I tend to agree. Basically the same in RC D&D. You can have real, noticeable strengths and weaknesses without an 11-point spread between them. That's kinda the point behind bounded accuracy, I thought. [/QUOTE]

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