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<blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 6328396" data-attributes="member: 14506">I never understood this idea that the higher level spell should be more powerful in effect and more powerful in its ability to penetrate defenses.As I suggested early in this thread there are two ways it can be handled. I am uncertain which is better.1. Everyone has proficiency in every save.2. Get rid of the implement bonus and just go with 10+STAT for DC, and everyone loses save proficiencies.I see both as being valid options. I don't really like implements making spells more mathematically difficult to resist. So I will likely go with option 2.Edit another possible solution came to me. Though this does not fix the math flaw. It may however be easier to pick up a new skill than a new save proficiency.Skills as saves:STR AthleticsDEX AcrobaticsCON Endurance*INT InvestigationWIS Will*CHA Insight***New Skill**Moved from WisEdit2: Came up with another simple solution. Casters do not add their stat to their DC. DC calculation becomes 10 + Proficiency (Range of 12 to 16). This would harken back to 1e/2e. It is the simplest and perhaps best solution. If you wanted to penalize for not having an implement then you could add a -2 without the implement.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sadrik, post: 6328396, member: 14506"] I never understood this idea that the higher level spell should be more powerful in effect and more powerful in its ability to penetrate defenses. As I suggested early in this thread there are two ways it can be handled. I am uncertain which is better. 1. Everyone has proficiency in every save. 2. Get rid of the implement bonus and just go with 10+STAT for DC, and everyone loses save proficiencies. I see both as being valid options. I don't really like implements making spells more mathematically difficult to resist. So I will likely go with option 2. Edit another possible solution came to me. Though this does not fix the math flaw. It may however be easier to pick up a new skill than a new save proficiency. Skills as saves: STR Athletics DEX Acrobatics CON Endurance* INT Investigation WIS Will* CHA Insight** *New Skill **Moved from Wis Edit2: Came up with another simple solution. Casters do not add their stat to their DC. DC calculation becomes 10 + Proficiency (Range of 12 to 16). This would harken back to 1e/2e. It is the simplest and perhaps best solution. If you wanted to penalize for not having an implement then you could add a -2 without the implement. [/QUOTE]

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