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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6329091" data-attributes="member: 18">Your statement is irrelevant to this discussion, because you've extended this to cover far more than saves.No, not really, not when you're arguing &quot;cynicism&quot; and the vast majority of truly dangerous saving throws are WIS and CHA (at least last I checked, I could be wrong) in 5E.If there were tons of awful STR and CON saves, then you might have more of a point, though my points would also stand. If those do exist, they are in the MM.No-one is denying differential make the game interesting, however, you can blandly state that one PC being 60% likely to resist something and one being 15% likely to is &quot;a good thing&quot; without explaining how it is, especially when we consider that there is not, as far as we know, an even distribution of real threats.Need to find a list of what spells use what saves. I might make it myself later. It's important to this discussion, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6329091, member: 18"] Your statement is irrelevant to this discussion, because you've extended this to cover far more than saves. No, not really, not when you're arguing "cynicism" and the vast majority of truly dangerous saving throws are WIS and CHA (at least last I checked, I could be wrong) in 5E. If there were tons of awful STR and CON saves, then you might have more of a point, though my points would also stand. If those do exist, they are in the MM. No-one is denying differential make the game interesting, however, you can blandly state that one PC being 60% likely to resist something and one being 15% likely to is "a good thing" without explaining how it is, especially when we consider that there is not, as far as we know, an even distribution of real threats. Need to find a list of what spells use what saves. I might make it myself later. It's important to this discussion, though. [/QUOTE]

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