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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6874571" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Frankly, as bad as AD&D might be considered when it comes to saving throws - between item-dependence and arbitrariness and whatever other -inesses might be annoying - I haven't found any subsequent handling of all-or-nothing effects in D&D to be any better, and most worse. That's one of the few things where I still have to register a clear preference for the Old Ways. </p><p></p><p>Yeah, 3e did introduce the save-every-round mechanic (sorta, there were a few such effects in the olden days) particularly for Hold Person, 4e expanded it to almost all conditions imposed by monsters and PC dailies, and 5e didn't roll it back (one of the few things it didn't), though it did roll back the meaning of 'save' to 'inverted attack rolled by the target.'</p><p></p><p>Which is pretty far out of character, IMHO. If you have what it takes to stand up to dragons and demi-gods and demon lords and stay standing after 100 hps of damage, you should be able to resists a 1st level monster imposing Charm or Frightened or whatever.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6874571, member: 996"] Frankly, as bad as AD&D might be considered when it comes to saving throws - between item-dependence and arbitrariness and whatever other -inesses might be annoying - I haven't found any subsequent handling of all-or-nothing effects in D&D to be any better, and most worse. That's one of the few things where I still have to register a clear preference for the Old Ways. Yeah, 3e did introduce the save-every-round mechanic (sorta, there were a few such effects in the olden days) particularly for Hold Person, 4e expanded it to almost all conditions imposed by monsters and PC dailies, and 5e didn't roll it back (one of the few things it didn't), though it did roll back the meaning of 'save' to 'inverted attack rolled by the target.' Which is pretty far out of character, IMHO. If you have what it takes to stand up to dragons and demi-gods and demon lords and stay standing after 100 hps of damage, you should be able to resists a 1st level monster imposing Charm or Frightened or whatever. [/QUOTE]
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