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<blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 6876170" data-attributes="member: 6701872">&quot;Allows for inclusion&quot; and &quot;Includes&quot; are not phrases that mean the same thing.I don't think that means what you think it means since you are bringing it up in a context that suggests you think it means anything but &quot;rested and well equipped characters of 6th level and higher shouldn't die in the process of the party defeating one of these.&quot;If[/I] the player of that character chooses to.You seem to have answered &quot;yes&quot; and then further explained your answer as functionally being &quot;no&quot; because you have made it seem as though your answer of &quot;yes&quot; is contingent upon dominate monster having an effect which is &quot;expected to effectively incapacitate an opponent,&quot; which is not what can be expected of its current effect as written.Your statements do not align with my experience with the system thus far. Saves get passed. Save get failed. Attacks hit. Attacks miss. None of those things happen so often as to make their counterpart feel &quot;unexpected.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AaronOfBarbaria, post: 6876170, member: 6701872"] "Allows for inclusion" and "Includes" are not phrases that mean the same thing. I don't think that means what you think it means since you are bringing it up in a context that suggests you think it means anything but "rested and well equipped characters of 6th level and higher shouldn't die in the process of the party defeating one of these." [I][B]If[/[/B]I] the player of that character chooses to. You seem to have answered "yes" and then further explained your answer as functionally being "no" because you have made it seem as though your answer of "yes" is contingent upon [I]dominate monster[/I] having an effect which is "expected to effectively incapacitate an opponent," which is not what can be expected of its current effect as written. Your statements do not align with my experience with the system thus far. Saves get passed. Save get failed. Attacks hit. Attacks miss. None of those things happen so often as to make their counterpart feel "unexpected."[/I] [/QUOTE]

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