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<blockquote data-quote="Khisanth the Ancient" data-source="post: 6877227" data-attributes="member: 11368">I just checked the DCs of all CR 16+ monsters in the MM.The majority of ultra-high (over 20) DCs are 'save for half damage' or 'knocked prone/pushed back' effects. The former can be mitigated by HP, and the latter are going to be largely hitting melee classes with high STR and likely to have proficiency in STR saves too.The only others I found are the non-damage breaths and frightful presence of some ancient dragons and the adult gold dragon, and the pit fiend's fear and hold monster spell.Most of these are over CR 20; the only exceptions are the adult gold dragon (CR 17/DC 21)*, pit fiend (CR 20/DC 21), ancient brass dragon (CR 20/DC 21).*This one might be a mistake. Its frightful presence DC is 3 higher than the adult red at the same CR, and is higher than 7 out of 10 of the ancient dragons, the same as the ancient silver (CR 23) and red (CR 24), and is exceeded only by the ancient gold (CR 24).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Khisanth the Ancient, post: 6877227, member: 11368"] I just checked the DCs of all CR 16+ monsters in the MM. The majority of ultra-high (over 20) DCs are 'save for half damage' or 'knocked prone/pushed back' effects. The former can be mitigated by HP, and the latter are going to be largely hitting melee classes with high STR and likely to have proficiency in STR saves too. The only others I found are the non-damage breaths and frightful presence of some ancient dragons and the adult gold dragon, and the pit fiend's fear and hold monster spell. Most of these are over CR 20; the only exceptions are the adult gold dragon (CR 17/DC 21)*, pit fiend (CR 20/DC 21), ancient brass dragon (CR 20/DC 21). *This one might be a mistake. Its frightful presence DC is 3 higher than the adult red at the same CR, and is higher than 7 out of 10 of the ancient dragons, the same as the ancient silver (CR 23) and red (CR 24), and is exceeded only by the ancient gold (CR 24). [/QUOTE]

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