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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 4749931" data-attributes="member: 20564">The PDF thing is annoying to me, more because of what they didn't do (communicate, work nicely with their parteners selling them, etc.)&nbsp; It's not a show stopper, it may not even be that famous last straw.But really, I'm ready to join you in letting go.&nbsp; I play/run regularly with two gaming groups (more than one game with one of them).&nbsp; And 4e hasn't gained enough traction, so that in my specific case, I'm already near the edge of letting go.I have to admit I've been &quot;pure&quot; D&amp;D up through the editions so I haven't been of much financial support to 3pp, just TSR and WotC.&nbsp; Plus other non-fantasy systems.But WotC as a company had done a large number of actions that have made me dislike them, and 4e isn't getting enough love from the people I game with.&nbsp; Out of 14 gamers I regularly play with, three are firmly switched to 4e, 3-4 (including me) enjoy it but also still enjoy other editions, one will play 4e but prefers not, two strongly dislike it, and the rest haven't been impressed enough to have even tried it.Basically, in the balance of buying 4e books or not on the merits of my personal enjoyment it's a fairly neutral proposition.&nbsp; I don't play it much and don't expect that to increase.&nbsp; I do enjoy the books from a character building perspective, and I've mainly focused my purchases towards the more player-centric books.&nbsp; But the continued stream of things that WotC has been doing - fan site C&amp;D letters, no OGL/restrictive 3p licensing stopping good character builders except their own, etc. has been actively cutting down my enjoyment of the game, tilting the scales towards &quot;don't buy&quot;.My little blip will be that I'm not planning on picking up Arcane Power or other books, just browse them at the sessions as needed for my characters.&nbsp; Sad too, I just switched over to a bard and am enjoying it.&nbsp; And really, my friend's gaming store will feel that blip more than WotC ever will.But as Kamakazi Midget says, this is a post about letting go.&nbsp; 3.5 is doing it for one group, but the other group is split with strogn likes/dislikes both ways.&nbsp; I don't know if Pathfinder can bring everyone back to a common system, it'll probably be worth a try.&nbsp; Or maybe we end up trying something like WFRP v2 for a while.But right now, I'm going to let go for a while.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 4749931, member: 20564"] The PDF thing is annoying to me, more because of what they didn't do (communicate, work nicely with their parteners selling them, etc.) It's not a show stopper, it may not even be that famous last straw. But really, I'm ready to join you in letting go. I play/run regularly with two gaming groups (more than one game with one of them). And 4e hasn't gained enough traction, so that [I]in my specific case[/I], I'm already near the edge of letting go. I have to admit I've been "pure" D&D up through the editions so I haven't been of much financial support to 3pp, just TSR and WotC. Plus other non-fantasy systems. But WotC as a company had done a large number of actions that have made me dislike them, and 4e isn't getting enough love from the people I game with. Out of 14 gamers I regularly play with, three are firmly switched to 4e, 3-4 (including me) enjoy it but also still enjoy other editions, one will play 4e but prefers not, two strongly dislike it, and the rest haven't been impressed enough to have even tried it. Basically, in the balance of buying 4e books or not on the merits of my personal enjoyment it's a fairly neutral proposition. I don't play it much and don't expect that to increase. I do enjoy the books from a character building perspective, and I've mainly focused my purchases towards the more player-centric books. But the continued stream of things that WotC has been doing - fan site C&D letters, no OGL/restrictive 3p licensing stopping good character builders except their own, etc. has been actively cutting down my enjoyment of the game, tilting the scales towards "don't buy". My little blip will be that I'm not planning on picking up Arcane Power or other books, just browse them at the sessions as needed for my characters. Sad too, I just switched over to a bard and am enjoying it. And really, my friend's gaming store will feel that blip more than WotC ever will. But as Kamakazi Midget says, this is a post about letting go. 3.5 is doing it for one group, but the other group is split with strogn likes/dislikes both ways. I don't know if Pathfinder can bring everyone back to a common system, it'll probably be worth a try. Or maybe we end up trying something like WFRP v2 for a while. But right now, I'm going to let go for a while. [/QUOTE]

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