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weapon choice for a level 6 warblade fighter level 2 goliths
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<blockquote data-quote="Empirate" data-source="post: 6232649" data-attributes="member: 78958"><p>Swordsages will probably <em>not </em>want to spend a full-round action every other turn just so they can deal paltry Str or Con damage. Not if killing the foe outright is an option by simply dealing a lot of HP damage. Warblades can at best use the maneuver in question every other round and full attack in between. If you can spend three rounds in melee with <em>anything </em>as a Warblade, that thing ought to be dead, not slightly debuffed!</p><p>Even Crusaders that somehow get access to SH maneuvers will have to be lucky drawing cards if they want to spam one particular maneuver round after round. Idiot Crusaders don't count (rules questionability, high build dependence, only available at mid to high levels). </p><p></p><p>Oh, and if you're talking WRT, I'm not sold that it can be used on yourself. Even if it can, that's two instances of that maneuver applied two rounds in a row, and again, looking at how much ability damage SH maneuvers do, that's simply not impressive at all. No comparison to casters specced for debilitation.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wis is probably going to be around 14 max, seeing as how Swordsages are quite a bit plagued by MAD. No comparison at all with a SoD focused caster - and even those are headed for swingy times. SoD or SoS simply isn't where it's at for anybody, it's too unreliable IMO, but then that's a playstyle/preference thing I guess.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, Idiot Crusaders don't count. And we're still talking Warblade here. What PrCs are readily available to Warblades and offer SH again?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>(BTW, no vitriol on my part. I enjoy the discussion, hope you do, too)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Empirate, post: 6232649, member: 78958"] Swordsages will probably [I]not [/I]want to spend a full-round action every other turn just so they can deal paltry Str or Con damage. Not if killing the foe outright is an option by simply dealing a lot of HP damage. Warblades can at best use the maneuver in question every other round and full attack in between. If you can spend three rounds in melee with [I]anything [/I]as a Warblade, that thing ought to be dead, not slightly debuffed! Even Crusaders that somehow get access to SH maneuvers will have to be lucky drawing cards if they want to spam one particular maneuver round after round. Idiot Crusaders don't count (rules questionability, high build dependence, only available at mid to high levels). Oh, and if you're talking WRT, I'm not sold that it can be used on yourself. Even if it can, that's two instances of that maneuver applied two rounds in a row, and again, looking at how much ability damage SH maneuvers do, that's simply not impressive at all. No comparison to casters specced for debilitation. Wis is probably going to be around 14 max, seeing as how Swordsages are quite a bit plagued by MAD. No comparison at all with a SoD focused caster - and even those are headed for swingy times. SoD or SoS simply isn't where it's at for anybody, it's too unreliable IMO, but then that's a playstyle/preference thing I guess. Again, Idiot Crusaders don't count. And we're still talking Warblade here. What PrCs are readily available to Warblades and offer SH again? (BTW, no vitriol on my part. I enjoy the discussion, hope you do, too) [/QUOTE]
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