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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mmadsen" data-source="post: 3646915" data-attributes="member: 1645">And you base this on the hundreds of people you've shot with each weapon?  I'm joking, of course, but my point is that the evidence isn't really that clear, and gun nuts on each side of the debate argue quite strongly for their preferred round.It's odd that you'd bring up body armor, because a 9mm round penetrates armor more readily than a .45.  It has more energy -- it moves at much greater velocity -- and a smaller cross-sectional area.Against an unarmored foe, it's not clear which round is better.A 5.56mm round is a .223 round, which is just a hair larger than a .22 round.  The real difference is in the amount of powder behind the bullet.Once a knife is long enough to reach the vital organs, the extra blade length is more about extra reach than extra damage -- at least for a stabbing weapon.</blockquote>