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<blockquote data-quote="T-Bone JiuJitsu" data-source="post: 1824598" data-attributes="member: 24286"><p>"can Weapon Finesse be applied to either the Melee Touch Attack or Grapple Checks? </p><p></p><p>If not, would it break game balance to allow it?"</p><p></p><p></p><p>I allowed a PC monk in my current campaign to add his Dex modifier to his grapple check with Weapon Finesse. BIG mistake. </p><p></p><p>Yes it will disrupt game balance. (IMO)</p><p></p><p>Here's why. Now, all this monk does is find ways to pump his Dex. It helps his AC, his melee attacks, his grapple touch attack, and adds on top of his Imporved Grapple check. He started his career with an 18 Dex. Dropped another point on Dex at 4th. (will most certainly do it again at 8th)., Gets potions or spells of Cats Grace cast on him at every opportunity, Had the mage craft him gloves of Dexterity, etc.</p><p></p><p>His grapple check is now nearly unbeatable by most foes close to his level, and he's nearly impossible to hit in combat. This had disrupted the game in many ways... but primarily by him grappling with impunity the biggest of the big bad guys in every fight and completely nullifying them. This is partially a problem with the grapple rules as well, but finessing a grapple check is insult on top of injury. Not to mention it is bending the rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="T-Bone JiuJitsu, post: 1824598, member: 24286"] "can Weapon Finesse be applied to either the Melee Touch Attack or Grapple Checks? If not, would it break game balance to allow it?" I allowed a PC monk in my current campaign to add his Dex modifier to his grapple check with Weapon Finesse. BIG mistake. Yes it will disrupt game balance. (IMO) Here's why. Now, all this monk does is find ways to pump his Dex. It helps his AC, his melee attacks, his grapple touch attack, and adds on top of his Imporved Grapple check. He started his career with an 18 Dex. Dropped another point on Dex at 4th. (will most certainly do it again at 8th)., Gets potions or spells of Cats Grace cast on him at every opportunity, Had the mage craft him gloves of Dexterity, etc. His grapple check is now nearly unbeatable by most foes close to his level, and he's nearly impossible to hit in combat. This had disrupted the game in many ways... but primarily by him grappling with impunity the biggest of the big bad guys in every fight and completely nullifying them. This is partially a problem with the grapple rules as well, but finessing a grapple check is insult on top of injury. Not to mention it is bending the rules. [/QUOTE]
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