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<blockquote data-quote="Tilla the Hun (work)" data-source="post: 1414959" data-attributes="member: 14214">Heh - did that - SW/Wiz/Rog/Arcane Tricksterat around 12th level - whole party goes 'ow' when he gets a sneak attack in with his rapier <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />As for adding one point - the whole idea in my example was to show two characters with identical builds.&nbsp; Change one, and you've trashed the whole example.But fair point made, just not taken as far as the example went.&nbsp; I assumed straight 14's.&nbsp; For you, I'll assume straight 16's (a little more unreasonable, but it'll show the point...)Human: Str 16, Dex 16, +1 featH-Orc: Str 18, Dex 16Halfling Str 14, Dex 18Assuming straight up fighters.&nbsp; All armed with spiked chains that you can apply weapon finesse to.&nbsp; Assume level 3 fighters for each, again for equaling out misc. factors.Human Feats (5)Ex Wpn Spk Chain, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Imp TripH-Orc Feats (4)Ex Wpn Spk Chain, Power Attack, Cleave, Great CleaveHalfling Feats (4)Ex Wpn Spk Chain, Weapon Finesse, Power Attack, Improved FinesseDamage ratings:Human = 2d4 + str (3) * 1.5 = 2d4 + 4 w/ +6 to hit.PA Human = 2d4 + str(3) *1.5 + 3 = 2d4 + 7 w/ +3 to hitH-Orc = 2d4 + str(4) *1.5 = 2d4 + 6 w/ +7 to hitPA H-Orc = 2d4 + str(4)*1.5 + 3 = 2d4 + 9 w/ +4 to hitHalfling (small wpn) = 1d6 + str(2)*1.5 + dex(4) = 1d6 + 6 w/ +7 to hitPA Halfling = 1d6 + str(2)*1.5 + dex(4) + 3 = 1d6 + 9 w/ +4 to hit.Funny thing isn't it?&nbsp; The halfling can actually match the h-orc for damage, excepting only weapon size, if he takes the correct feats...H-Orc</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tilla the Hun (work), post: 1414959, member: 14214"] Heh - did that - SW/Wiz/Rog/Arcane Trickster at around 12th level - whole party goes 'ow' when he gets a sneak attack in with his rapier :) As for adding one point - the whole idea in my example was to show two characters with identical builds. Change one, and you've trashed the whole example. But fair point made, just not taken as far as the example went. I assumed straight 14's. For you, I'll assume straight 16's (a little more unreasonable, but it'll show the point...) Human: Str 16, Dex 16, +1 feat H-Orc: Str 18, Dex 16 Halfling Str 14, Dex 18 Assuming straight up fighters. All armed with spiked chains that you can apply weapon finesse to. Assume level 3 fighters for each, again for equaling out misc. factors. Human Feats (5) Ex Wpn Spk Chain, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave, Imp Trip H-Orc Feats (4) Ex Wpn Spk Chain, Power Attack, Cleave, Great Cleave Halfling Feats (4) Ex Wpn Spk Chain, Weapon Finesse, Power Attack, Improved Finesse Damage ratings: Human = 2d4 + str (3) * 1.5 = 2d4 + 4 w/ +6 to hit. PA Human = 2d4 + str(3) *1.5 + 3 = 2d4 + 7 w/ +3 to hit H-Orc = 2d4 + str(4) *1.5 = 2d4 + 6 w/ +7 to hit PA H-Orc = 2d4 + str(4)*1.5 + 3 = 2d4 + 9 w/ +4 to hit Halfling (small wpn) = 1d6 + str(2)*1.5 + dex(4) = 1d6 + 6 w/ +7 to hit PA Halfling = 1d6 + str(2)*1.5 + dex(4) + 3 = 1d6 + 9 w/ +4 to hit. Funny thing isn't it? The halfling can actually match the h-orc for damage, excepting only weapon size, if he takes the correct feats... H-Orc [/QUOTE]

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