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<blockquote data-quote="Sylrae" data-source="post: 4949231" data-attributes="member: 48520">Hmm. I see your point, my system is too complex, and requires far too much bookkeeping.But your system doesn't work so great either.1. Players will gain new weapon proficiencies and armor proficiencies at every level.2. Because of your system of acquiring &quot;Whole Groups&quot;, (Something I would not have done, and a part of the reason I wanted an alternate system to begin with. Being trained in axes should not make me proficient with spears.)3. Players will quickly gain all of the proficiencies. (Eugch!)Can I get a list of the weapon groups you use? the UA ones are good, but yours may be useful too. maybe something between my idea, Hawken's Idea, and weapon groups. While I can see earning proficiency with an entire group, earning an entire bulk weapon proficiency set is just ridiculous. Weapon proficiencies should be easy to get, but you shouldn't get them without trying (like multiple new weapons every level), and you shouldnt get huge groups of totally unrelated weapons.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sylrae, post: 4949231, member: 48520"] Hmm. I see your point, my system is too complex, and requires far too much bookkeeping. But your system doesn't work so great either. 1. Players will gain new weapon proficiencies and armor proficiencies at every level. 2. Because of your system of acquiring "Whole Groups", (Something I would not have done, and a part of the reason I wanted an alternate system to begin with. Being trained in axes should not make me proficient with spears.) 3. Players will quickly gain all of the proficiencies. (Eugch!) Can I get a list of the weapon groups you use? the UA ones are good, but yours may be useful too. maybe something between my idea, Hawken's Idea, and weapon groups. While I can see earning proficiency with an entire group, earning an entire bulk weapon proficiency set is just ridiculous. Weapon proficiencies should be easy to get, but you shouldn't get them without trying (like multiple new weapons every level), and you shouldnt get huge groups of totally unrelated weapons. [/QUOTE]

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