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<blockquote data-quote="Thundershield" data-source="post: 4855507" data-attributes="member: 55219">Oh. Right. Busted. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp;Well, should've picked my words more carefully. I was thinking more broadly, or maybe I was thinking it was a Human BRV Fighter who put his +2 in Con... *shrug*&nbsp;Anyway, the point still stands. Racial affinity would be apparent under similar circumstances (same stats, same level, same weapon, Weapon Focus vs. racial equivalent).&nbsp;EDIT: Well, I can see the points people have listed above, that access to the superior weapons is meant as compensation for their lack of Strength to make them great Fighters. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the right way to compensate.&nbsp;If people want to use a superior weapon, they'll take Weapon Proficiency. Getting the proficiency and a bonus that's only superior until level 11 rolled up into one feat is hardly a show of racial affinity in the long run. As soon as you hit the Paragon levels we're back to the issue that Dwarves and Eladrin are inferior Fighters and the supposed racial affinity is gone. By Epic levels, it's actually a racial inferiority (unless you spend a feat on Weapon Focus to &quot;catch up&quot;.)&nbsp;A &quot;proper&quot; way to make Dwarves and Eladrin truly good at something is by making them unique at it, such as by giving them unique combat options through class-specific feats or special properties in powers. If memory serves, there's already a few Fighter powers that say &quot;If you're a Dwarf, deal additional damage equal to your Constitution modifier.&quot;&nbsp;So, that's why I didn't take class or fluff into consideration with the &quot;balancing&quot; of the racial affinity feats. If you want Dwarves to be good Fighters, make them good Fighters - don't simply make them good at swinging better weapons. That'd mean that Dwarf Avenger is still a better choice than Dwarf Fighter, and wouldn't satisfy any fluff besides saying &quot;dwarves are better at using hammers and axes than other races, until they become paragons or epic&quot;. What I wanted to do with my house rule was simply changing that to &quot;dwarves are better at using hammers and axes than other races, but still require the training other races do&quot;, which I believe gives a better feel.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thundershield, post: 4855507, member: 55219"] Oh. Right. Busted. ;) Well, should've picked my words more carefully. I was thinking more broadly, or maybe I was thinking it was a Human BRV Fighter who put his +2 in Con... *shrug* Anyway, the point still stands. Racial affinity would be apparent under similar circumstances (same stats, same level, same weapon, Weapon Focus vs. racial equivalent). EDIT: Well, I can see the points people have listed above, that access to the superior weapons is meant as compensation for their lack of Strength to make them great Fighters. The problem, however, is that this wouldn't be the right way to compensate. If people want to use a superior weapon, they'll take Weapon Proficiency. Getting the proficiency and a bonus that's only superior until level 11 rolled up into one feat is hardly a show of racial affinity in the long run. As soon as you hit the Paragon levels we're back to the issue that Dwarves and Eladrin are inferior Fighters and the supposed racial affinity is gone. By Epic levels, it's actually a racial inferiority (unless you spend a feat on Weapon Focus to "catch up".) A "proper" way to make Dwarves and Eladrin truly good at something is by making them unique at it, such as by giving them unique combat options through class-specific feats or special properties in powers. If memory serves, there's already a few Fighter powers that say "If you're a Dwarf, deal additional damage equal to your Constitution modifier." So, that's why I didn't take class or fluff into consideration with the "balancing" of the racial affinity feats. If you want Dwarves to be good Fighters, make them good Fighters - don't simply make them good at swinging better weapons. That'd mean that Dwarf Avenger is still a better choice than Dwarf Fighter, and wouldn't satisfy any fluff besides saying "dwarves are better at using hammers and axes than other races, until they become paragons or epic". What I wanted to do with my house rule was simply changing that to "dwarves are better at using hammers and axes than other races, but still require the training other races do", which I believe gives a better feel. [/QUOTE]

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