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<blockquote data-quote="Goumindong" data-source="post: 4855763" data-attributes="member: 70874"><p>I think you're making the wrong comparison.</p><p></p><p>Take a paragon lvl Wisdom Based Melee Character</p><p></p><p>Dwarf/Human/Elf all get the same bonus to attack.</p><p></p><p>Dwarf Spends for Dwarven Weapon prof</p><p>Elf Spends for Weapon Superiority and Weapon Focus</p><p></p><p>The advantage of the dwarf with the war axe/execution axe is not any + to damage[+1 heroic, even paragon, - 1 epic], but <em>another feat</em></p><p></p><p>I.E. At paragon tier and below the Dwarf never has to make the choice between +2 dmg/attack and another feat. At epic tier he is making the choice between an Epic Feat and Weapon Focus @ +1. In both instances the Elf is making the choice between the Epic Feat and Weapon Focus @ +2 or +3, a much harder choice.</p><p></p><p>I mean, think about it like this. At Epic Tier, would you give 1 dmg/attack to gain a feat? Probably. (maybe not at heroic as 1 dmg is a larger portion of your damage and there are fewer feat choices) In fact, i would wager that most people would make that choice quite a few times if you were able. But would you give up 3 dmg to gain one feat? Maybe not.</p><p></p><p>If the Elf makes the choice for feat parity then he is down 2 dmg/attack. If he makes the choiec for damage pairity(or in this case, +1 dmg/attack over the dwarf at epic), then the dwarf gets an extra feat over the Elf.</p><p></p><p>Both ways will typically make the Dwarf better with that weapon than the Elf, they just make him better in a way that may not be expressed in damage[or it might be because he might be able to take hammer rythm when the elf is still short, or Deadly Axe, or Agile Opportunist and/or Stonefoot Reprisal or Melee Training which give him more damage in an indirect manner]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Goumindong, post: 4855763, member: 70874"] I think you're making the wrong comparison. Take a paragon lvl Wisdom Based Melee Character Dwarf/Human/Elf all get the same bonus to attack. Dwarf Spends for Dwarven Weapon prof Elf Spends for Weapon Superiority and Weapon Focus The advantage of the dwarf with the war axe/execution axe is not any + to damage[+1 heroic, even paragon, - 1 epic], but [i]another feat[/i] I.E. At paragon tier and below the Dwarf never has to make the choice between +2 dmg/attack and another feat. At epic tier he is making the choice between an Epic Feat and Weapon Focus @ +1. In both instances the Elf is making the choice between the Epic Feat and Weapon Focus @ +2 or +3, a much harder choice. I mean, think about it like this. At Epic Tier, would you give 1 dmg/attack to gain a feat? Probably. (maybe not at heroic as 1 dmg is a larger portion of your damage and there are fewer feat choices) In fact, i would wager that most people would make that choice quite a few times if you were able. But would you give up 3 dmg to gain one feat? Maybe not. If the Elf makes the choice for feat parity then he is down 2 dmg/attack. If he makes the choiec for damage pairity(or in this case, +1 dmg/attack over the dwarf at epic), then the dwarf gets an extra feat over the Elf. Both ways will typically make the Dwarf better with that weapon than the Elf, they just make him better in a way that may not be expressed in damage[or it might be because he might be able to take hammer rythm when the elf is still short, or Deadly Axe, or Agile Opportunist and/or Stonefoot Reprisal or Melee Training which give him more damage in an indirect manner] [/QUOTE]
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