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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DanMcS" data-source="post: 1803882" data-attributes="member: 6530">A rapier is kind of a wierd weapon, with several exceptional qualities.  It's one-handed but finessable, and (like a light weapon) can't be used two-handed for extra strength damage.  That's going to make it hard to do in any generic framework.  In that way, it's like a spiked chain, which you can't build in this system until greater combat proficiency I think.At improved combat proficiency, you start at 2d6 20/x3 with a one-handed piercing sword.  You can make that 1d8 18-20/x2 by the "drop a die to increase critical" and "18-20/x2 is equivalent to 20/x4" rules, and then add finessable for 1d6 18-20/x2.  You now have basically a rapier, except it's still a stock one-handed use so the 'can't be used two-handed for extra damage' thing isn't there.You could also use a light piercing sword, so it would start out at 1d8 20/x3, and then shift damage and crits around to get 1d6 18-20/x2 again, this time with the "light" set of weapon attributes.So you can't really recreate a rapier using Combat Proficiency, but you can at the Improved level.In general, I said everything that was an advantage should be a quality that reduces damage on the scale.  Being able to use a melee weapon with dex instead of strength is an advantage, so it knocks down damage.If you don't agree with that for finesse, you're probably also one of the people that thinks all weapons should use dex to-hit and strength for damage.  That would be a variation in straight D&D, and it would be a perfectly acceptable variation for this kind of rule, too.</blockquote>

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