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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vocenoctum" data-source="post: 2408846" data-attributes="member: 2477">I dont' recall the Dragon one offhand, but look at the online stuff and you should get a decent idea.I've got a character with a personal sword that I'd rather continuely advance. He's a warrior type and paying to keep enchanting it is pricey. DM wouldn't let me use 3e OA Samurai, and was leery about Kensai from CW. I ended up using Ancestral Relic from Book of Exalted Deeds, which has worked out okay, but I'm still feeling that advancement of the sword is too slow.UA's Scions were horrible IMO. DMG2's Bonded Items were good, similar to Ancestral Relic really, but most of the rituals were silly.Weapons of Legacy is good for the items they have, but I think founding a new legacy will be much harsher than simply using Ancestral Relic or Bonded from DMG2. A lot fo the lesser abilities are just blah, and scaling on some of the abilities seems absent. (there are varying levels of Intelligence, but no way to "raise" a previous level. You just purchase a new level I guess. They also seem to overrate intelligence, given you're not getting any of the co-abilities of an Intelligent item.)To found a legacy, you have to pay the personal costs (skill, BAB, HP, whatever) plus the normal GP costs of the rituals (say, 1500-2500 for least, 12-14K for lesser, 38-40K for greater rituals), you also have to pay XP! (500xp/1100 xp/ 1700xp)So, I'm still at a loss.Besides that though, Legacy Champion is a "PrC", but in effect, it's a Class Template. New to me. In fact, I think a lot of the Legacy stuff is sort of Templates. (the longsword +1 with a Durindana template for instance.)</blockquote>

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