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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 9772105" data-attributes="member: 29398">Those styles being wargame and simulation, if I recall an earlier post?  I see no reason why those can't blend quite well.  Ditto dungeoncrawling and simulation; wilderness survival and simulation, etc.What doesn't blend well - and I'll freely admit this all day long - is simulation and small-g gamism, or playability.  While not quite zero-sum, additions to one of these very often come at the expense of the other.Not at all.  You just have to find other ways to contribute, similar to an archer who's run out of arrows.All RPGs are games - that's what the 'G' stands for.I see D&D as being kind of competitive and collaborative at the same time.  It has win and loss conditions, though not as hard-line or permanent as many other games, and you're competing against the challenges the DM has set and - depending on the table - might also be competing against each other as PCs.Wasn't intended as either mocking or dismissive and IMO reading it as such is a bit uncharitable.That D&D is a bad dungeoncrawler has come up before (not sure if from you or someone else); and while this may be somewhat true in the recent editions I find it hard to fathom how a system like BX or 1e is a bad dungeoncrawler.Or the player simply has to accept that the class - like all classes, ideally - comes with some baked-in limitations*, and then play within those limitations.  If I'm playing a Thief I can't expect to be doing Thief-y things all the time and also have to accept that I'm not as good a warrior as the warrior types.  If I'm playing a Fighter I have to accept that I can't do magic and thus I have to rely on you wizard and cleric types to handle the magic stuff and non-natural healing.  And so on.Which means by the same token if I'm playing a limited-slots Wizard I have to accept that I can only do so much in an in-game day.* - said limitations often being there purely in the pursuit of in-game balance between the classes and characters.</blockquote>

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