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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ArmoredSaint" data-source="post: 4693985" data-attributes="member: 54539">Seriously?  My suit looks like tinfoil to you?  Do you think I'm lying when I stated that it weighs 71 pounds?<a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=47406&l=1b525&id=1338672644" target="_blank">Joshua A Warren's Photos | Facebook</a><a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=63143&l=f610f&id=1338672644" target="_blank">Joshua A Warren's Photos | Facebook</a><a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=47403&l=1a9c7&id=1338672644" target="_blank">Joshua A Warren's Photos | Facebook</a><a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=47352&l=4efc5&id=1338672644" target="_blank">Joshua A Warren's Photos | Facebook</a>Note that I do, in fact, have mail covering the joints of my armour.Two posts above yours, Kzach, I addressed this very issue:  people thinking my armour in that video is somehow "not real."  I'm sorry, but your expectations  are a little bit off, and (no offense) are probably colored by exposure to either Victorian-era myth or modern fantasy art that features armour with unrealistically thick metal and huge shoulder plates. "Light plates that wouldn't protect against much?"  Just how thick do you think real historical armour was?<a href="http://www.allenantiques.com/Armour-All-Examples.html" target="_blank">Allen Antiques Catalog</a>This is a link to a site of the private arms and armour collection of Mr. Wade Allen.  Mr. Allen was kind enough to take thickness measurements on several of the pieces in his collection.  For comparison, my own breastplate is about 3.5mm thick through the thickest point at the center.  For further reference, I submit this page from Dr. Alan Williams' The Knight and the Blast Furnace, which book gives a very thorough treatment of the subject of armour thickness:<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=GpVbnsqAzxIC&pg=PA916&lpg=PA916&dq=breastplate+thickness+2mm&source=bl&ots=EGLb7X5h3F&sig=H94uWKlOWA-mKc8S3EDHsCPW3OA" target="_blank">The Knight and the Blast Furnace: A ... - Google Book Search</a>Note that, my breastplate's thickness of 3.5mm places it on the heavy end for thicknesses during the 15th century, and still in the average category for the entire period considered.I hope that puts to rest the issue of whether or not the armour in the YouTube video is "real."  It is indeed real in that it is a suit of articulated steel plates, made roughly the same style, thickness, and weight of an actual late medieval/early Renaissance armour.  It is not "tinfoil."  It is not a stage costume armour.  It is not "ceremonial."  It is not lighter than the historical artifact it was made to resemble--in fact, at 71 pounds, my armour is much heavier than the 51.48 pounds listed for the original in the Mantova catalogue.  It is real armour, and I can turn cartwheels in it.  Why is that so hard for some people to accept?  Conditioning from too much modern fatnasy art, I guess...I politely and respectfully submit that anyone who thinks it's not real armour doesn't know what real armour looks like.  There is no reason to assume that the plate armour represented in Dungeons & Dragons is any thicker than either mine or historical examples either--especially when the Players' Handbook lists the weight of a suit of plate armour at 50 lbs. on page 214.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />So you are incorrect, Kzach, in believing that the armour we model in D&D is made of thicker plates.  You imgagine something more like this, maybe?<a href="http://ordo-daemonica.com/shieldbreaker/Pictures/ChaosWarrior.jpg" target="_blank">http://ordo-daemonica.com/shieldbreaker/Pictures/ChaosWarrior.jpg</a></blockquote>

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