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<blockquote data-quote="Weathercock" data-source="post: 6754255" data-attributes="member: 6802523"><p>"Expertise" is not actually a modifier for anything. It's the name of a specific class feature that, although shared by two different classes, does not actually act as bonus itself. It simply allows you to pick two skills you are proficient in and double the proficiency bonus for checks that use those skills, you don't actually have a bonus called Expertise. It's just doubling your proficiency bonus. The Purple Dragon Knight's <em>Royal Envoy</em> feature, as well as the Knowledge Cleric's <em>Blessings of Knowledge</em> are worded the same way as my Berserker's <em>Intimidating Presence</em> for the same reason.</p><p></p><p>That's why saying that it would "give expertise in X skill" wouldn't work, since there's no general rule in the book that makes reference to expertise as a thing, and why no other class which uses proficiency doubling abilities reference it either. While the intent in saying such might be to double the proficiency bonus, RAW, to have a rule that says that would do absolutely nothing. It's also why the Bard and Rogue entries for their respective <em>Expertise</em> features contain redundant text, technically being two completely unique and separate class features.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Weathercock, post: 6754255, member: 6802523"] "Expertise" is not actually a modifier for anything. It's the name of a specific class feature that, although shared by two different classes, does not actually act as bonus itself. It simply allows you to pick two skills you are proficient in and double the proficiency bonus for checks that use those skills, you don't actually have a bonus called Expertise. It's just doubling your proficiency bonus. The Purple Dragon Knight's [I]Royal Envoy[/I] feature, as well as the Knowledge Cleric's [I]Blessings of Knowledge[/I] are worded the same way as my Berserker's [I]Intimidating Presence[/I] for the same reason. That's why saying that it would "give expertise in X skill" wouldn't work, since there's no general rule in the book that makes reference to expertise as a thing, and why no other class which uses proficiency doubling abilities reference it either. While the intent in saying such might be to double the proficiency bonus, RAW, to have a rule that says that would do absolutely nothing. It's also why the Bard and Rogue entries for their respective [I]Expertise[/I] features contain redundant text, technically being two completely unique and separate class features. [/QUOTE]
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