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<blockquote data-quote="Magus Coeruleus" data-source="post: 3198786" data-attributes="member: 1704"><p>Not sure I get your point here. 2 or more solid points. 2 is a minimum, so you technically could have a 20' spread with only 2 poles 40' from each other to support it, but if you want, a 20' radius room could have virtually all of its surfaces serve as anchor points. Regardless, even if someone chose 2 discrete points along a 40' long, 10' wide, 10' tall corridor to serve as the requisite "anchors", the spread still fills the entire volume of that stretch of corridor, serving as a visual and physical obstacle (not impenetrable, but an obstacle nonetheless).</p><p></p><p>I'm not really buying this barrier/entanglement distinction you propose. I think a "many-layered mass of strong, sticky strands" that are "similar to spider webs but far larger and tougher" and that can "trap those caught in them" can present an obstacle. Since 5-15' of Web provides a cover bonus against arrows and 20' of Web totally blocks arrows, I think it's a reasonable bet that you stand a chance of detonating a fireball bead on one of the strands on the way to the center. But the ease of the shot, as I said in my previous post, is a matter of opinion. I say it's harder than an arrow slit, you say it's a cinch, but ultimately it's the call of whoever's DMing. </p><p></p><p>Agreed. As I said, the Web provides no cover against the flames of a fireball. The only ones spared would be those who are not in its area in the first place, i.e. possibly those at the far end. Just how far (or whether any are spared) depends on how far the DM and the dice (if applicable) let you get the bead to the center of the Web.</p><p></p><p>It's not hard to get that distance under ideal circumstances, but in a dungeon setting the danger may present itself, and if the DM rules that it is a difficult shot, you may need to get close to maximize your chances of visualizing an unobstructed path through the mass of strands to hit the center. Not sure of your point in highlighting the difference between depth vs. distance, as I don't see any disagreement on that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magus Coeruleus, post: 3198786, member: 1704"] Not sure I get your point here. 2 or more solid points. 2 is a minimum, so you technically could have a 20' spread with only 2 poles 40' from each other to support it, but if you want, a 20' radius room could have virtually all of its surfaces serve as anchor points. Regardless, even if someone chose 2 discrete points along a 40' long, 10' wide, 10' tall corridor to serve as the requisite "anchors", the spread still fills the entire volume of that stretch of corridor, serving as a visual and physical obstacle (not impenetrable, but an obstacle nonetheless). I'm not really buying this barrier/entanglement distinction you propose. I think a "many-layered mass of strong, sticky strands" that are "similar to spider webs but far larger and tougher" and that can "trap those caught in them" can present an obstacle. Since 5-15' of Web provides a cover bonus against arrows and 20' of Web totally blocks arrows, I think it's a reasonable bet that you stand a chance of detonating a fireball bead on one of the strands on the way to the center. But the ease of the shot, as I said in my previous post, is a matter of opinion. I say it's harder than an arrow slit, you say it's a cinch, but ultimately it's the call of whoever's DMing. Agreed. As I said, the Web provides no cover against the flames of a fireball. The only ones spared would be those who are not in its area in the first place, i.e. possibly those at the far end. Just how far (or whether any are spared) depends on how far the DM and the dice (if applicable) let you get the bead to the center of the Web. It's not hard to get that distance under ideal circumstances, but in a dungeon setting the danger may present itself, and if the DM rules that it is a difficult shot, you may need to get close to maximize your chances of visualizing an unobstructed path through the mass of strands to hit the center. Not sure of your point in highlighting the difference between depth vs. distance, as I don't see any disagreement on that. [/QUOTE]
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