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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3205431" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Actually, that is not how spreads and cover work. Spreads can turn corners, but opponents do not lose their cover bonus due to a spread. Neither the spread rules nor the cover rules indicate that this occurs (and in fact, the FAQ states that cover is not lost for Spreads or any other areas).</p><p></p><p>Say a Spread went 20 feet and then stops (like Fireball) and a character was behind a total cover tower shield at that point (with the Tower Shield cover provided on the edge towards the origin point). The spread would not affect him:</p><p></p><p>12345</p><p>OFFFT</p><p>67890</p><p></p><p>It could not get into his square because it does not have enough area. Starting at origin point O, it would have to first go either into square 4 or square 9 (somehow or other) and it would then not have enough area remaining to get to square T. If the target was 5 feet closer, than the spread would turn corners and get to him from squares 3 and 8. Then, he would lose total cover, but still maintain cover.</p><p></p><p>Ruling that it "turned the corner" over the top of his Tower Shield and affected that entire square does not match the cover rules.</p><p></p><p>The same applies to a Web because a Spread does not state that it ignores the cover or total cover rules. That's an inference.</p><p></p><p>Now, whether the attack is considered from the point of origin and hence gets total cover (my POV) or from the square next to the character and gets zero cover (your POV) is debatable.</p><p></p><p>I really do see your POV on this and I agree an emanation would work that way, but I also see that instantaneous spreads and bursts do not change the cover rules and that "a many-layered mass of strong, sticky strands" can and even should provide cover.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Interesting point.</p><p></p><p>But what does it mean? Does it mean melee attacks? Missile attacks? Rays? Other spells? Aren't all of these attacks typically made by opponents?</p><p></p><p>I suspect it means that a Web spell provides increasing cover as an attack goes further through the Web, but you are correct in that it does not actually state this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3205431, member: 2011"] Actually, that is not how spreads and cover work. Spreads can turn corners, but opponents do not lose their cover bonus due to a spread. Neither the spread rules nor the cover rules indicate that this occurs (and in fact, the FAQ states that cover is not lost for Spreads or any other areas). Say a Spread went 20 feet and then stops (like Fireball) and a character was behind a total cover tower shield at that point (with the Tower Shield cover provided on the edge towards the origin point). The spread would not affect him: 12345 OFFFT 67890 It could not get into his square because it does not have enough area. Starting at origin point O, it would have to first go either into square 4 or square 9 (somehow or other) and it would then not have enough area remaining to get to square T. If the target was 5 feet closer, than the spread would turn corners and get to him from squares 3 and 8. Then, he would lose total cover, but still maintain cover. Ruling that it "turned the corner" over the top of his Tower Shield and affected that entire square does not match the cover rules. The same applies to a Web because a Spread does not state that it ignores the cover or total cover rules. That's an inference. Now, whether the attack is considered from the point of origin and hence gets total cover (my POV) or from the square next to the character and gets zero cover (your POV) is debatable. I really do see your POV on this and I agree an emanation would work that way, but I also see that instantaneous spreads and bursts do not change the cover rules and that "a many-layered mass of strong, sticky strands" can and even should provide cover. Interesting point. But what does it mean? Does it mean melee attacks? Missile attacks? Rays? Other spells? Aren't all of these attacks typically made by opponents? I suspect it means that a Web spell provides increasing cover as an attack goes further through the Web, but you are correct in that it does not actually state this. [/QUOTE]
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