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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 7050468" data-attributes="member: 82504">LOL oh definitely not... The other half of my assertion about explicit needed to limit the magical is always along the lines of "the warrior needs explicit definitions which grant permission to do awesome" (this latter part is not automatic like the Create Fortified Campsite and takes designer attention) Abdul was pointing out a generalized game issue that explicitly defined things is seen to limit "anything" (not just what you want to limit if you arent careful) which is why I want to make sure MP are awesome and blow the top off of the ordinary instead of cap-stoning AND Tony was trying to address some of those issues when mp are directly quasi-mundane skill use by making the MP roll free while noting the effects can be achieved by roll  which allows skill specializations and addresses Abdul's problem that explicit definitions can limit but does not address my issue of their mundanity very well. If a martial practice succeeds in blowing the top off so to speak its fine that it become a high end limit.Maybe Abdul will explain more clearly I am rambly</blockquote>