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<blockquote data-quote="Azlan" data-source="post: 193432" data-attributes="member: 2340"><p>I call it the "weenie list" not the "weenie's list". It's the items themselves that are weenies. (I suppose it could be argued that those who make <em>over</em>use of the weenie list are themselves weenies. But isn't "munchkin" or "powergamer" the correct term for a player like this?)</p><p></p><p>I call these items "weenies" because they are relatively cheap magic items, and by themselves they are not very powerful; but when this combination of items are stacked together on a single character (and their bonuses <em>do</em> all stack!), they can make that character powerful indeed (particularly if that character is only mid-level). With the starting wealth of only a 7th level character, you can buy almost the entire list of items! (An 8th level character can buy the entire list, and still have change left over.)</p><p></p><p>This reminds me to beg the question: Why <em>quadruple</em> the price between a +1 and a +2 item? The way bonuses work in the game, they're pretty much linear in value. So, why this great, exponential jump in price? This, more than anything else, accounts for the "weenie-ness" of these items; e.g. why buy a +4 chain shirt for 16,000 gps, when you can buy a +1 chain shirt, a +1 amulet of "natural armor", a +1 ring of protection, and +2 gloves of dexterity for only 9,000 gps?</p><p></p><p>Also, there are a few items on the list that are clearly underpriced. These include the Keen and Energy enchantments, the Boots of Striding & Leaping, the Mithril Shirt, and the Eyes of the Eagle. (Oh, and Heward's Haversack -- especially if it allows you to draw an item from it as a free action.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Azlan, post: 193432, member: 2340"] I call it the "weenie list" not the "weenie's list". It's the items themselves that are weenies. (I suppose it could be argued that those who make [i]over[/i]use of the weenie list are themselves weenies. But isn't "munchkin" or "powergamer" the correct term for a player like this?) I call these items "weenies" because they are relatively cheap magic items, and by themselves they are not very powerful; but when this combination of items are stacked together on a single character (and their bonuses [i]do[/i] all stack!), they can make that character powerful indeed (particularly if that character is only mid-level). With the starting wealth of only a 7th level character, you can buy almost the entire list of items! (An 8th level character can buy the entire list, and still have change left over.) This reminds me to beg the question: Why [i]quadruple[/i] the price between a +1 and a +2 item? The way bonuses work in the game, they're pretty much linear in value. So, why this great, exponential jump in price? This, more than anything else, accounts for the "weenie-ness" of these items; e.g. why buy a +4 chain shirt for 16,000 gps, when you can buy a +1 chain shirt, a +1 amulet of "natural armor", a +1 ring of protection, and +2 gloves of dexterity for only 9,000 gps? Also, there are a few items on the list that are clearly underpriced. These include the Keen and Energy enchantments, the Boots of Striding & Leaping, the Mithril Shirt, and the Eyes of the Eagle. (Oh, and Heward's Haversack -- especially if it allows you to draw an item from it as a free action.) [/QUOTE]
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