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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 8087271" data-attributes="member: 6920677">Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Bonobos, and Orangs all have better memories than Homo Sapiens Sapiens.&nbsp; Homo Sapiens Sapiens have a better intuitive grasp of physics.The Observant feat has the odd side effect, that one's Passive scores are often better then your active scores.&nbsp; Umbran's Artificer is probably a better investigator when they are not giving something their full attention.A 20th level character with 20 INT and the Investigation skill has a +11 base bonus to Investigation checks.A 20th level character with a 5 INT and Expertise in Investigation has a +9 base bonus to Investigation. The same bonus as someone with 16 INT and training in a skill.This character is not achieving DC 30 results without further help, but they are certainly not hapless.So from a mechanical standpoint, a low ability score does not equate to automatic failures.A character built from the Default Stat Array, with 8 INT, that has at least 1 level as a Cleric of Knowledge..(assume Arcana Expertise), and 1 level of Ranger with Favored Enemy: Fiends...is just fine acting as a Fiend Sage.Low INT doesn't have to mean stupidity, or low general reasoning.&nbsp; It certainly can represent a person with high general reasoning, but a lack of impulse control, or an inability to focus, or sit doing the same repetitive activity.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 8087271, member: 6920677"] Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Bonobos, and Orangs all have better memories than Homo Sapiens Sapiens. Homo Sapiens Sapiens have a better intuitive grasp of physics. The Observant feat has the odd side effect, that one's Passive scores are often better then your active scores. Umbran's Artificer is probably a better investigator when they are not giving something their full attention. A 20th level character with 20 INT and the Investigation skill has a +11 base bonus to Investigation checks. A 20th level character with a 5 INT and Expertise in Investigation has a +9 base bonus to Investigation. The same bonus as someone with 16 INT and training in a skill. This character is not achieving DC 30 results without further help, but they are certainly not hapless. So from a mechanical standpoint, a low ability score does not equate to automatic failures. A character built from the Default Stat Array, with 8 INT, that has at least 1 level as a Cleric of Knowledge..(assume Arcana Expertise), and 1 level of Ranger with Favored Enemy: Fiends...is just fine acting as a Fiend Sage. Low INT doesn't have to mean stupidity, or low general reasoning. It certainly can represent a person with high general reasoning, but a lack of impulse control, or an inability to focus, or sit doing the same repetitive activity. [/QUOTE]

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