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Weird invisibility loophole saves Hiding but ruins the spell: Lose the Condition's benefits without losing the Condition
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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 9440212" data-attributes="member: 2525"><p>You're missing the other half of this discussion.</p><p></p><p>If a creature climbs into an open sarcophagus and casts Invisibility on themselves (gaining the invisible condition), all you need to do is walk over to the sarcophagus and look in.</p><p></p><p>An enemy has now found you, and you lose the invisible condition.</p><p></p><p>No really. The Invisibility spell does not say or imply in any way that you become any more or less visible than hiding. It doesn't say you become translucent, or anything. It literally only grants the identical thing the Hide action grants. </p><p></p><p>So something is wrong here. Either the Invisibility spell does nothing and See Invisible also does nothing, or somehow being seen doesn't mean being in their line of sight but instead means a perception check, or passive perception detection, or blindsight, truesight, or something like that.</p><p></p><p>I've slowly come to the conclusion they mean the later. Once you successfully hide while out of sight, you're now unseen even once you move out of cover and into open line of sight, until you break the condition with something you do (attack, cast spell, etc), or something spots you using passive perception, active perception check, or a special ability or spell enables detection. I think that's how they intend for it to work.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 9440212, member: 2525"] You're missing the other half of this discussion. If a creature climbs into an open sarcophagus and casts Invisibility on themselves (gaining the invisible condition), all you need to do is walk over to the sarcophagus and look in. An enemy has now found you, and you lose the invisible condition. No really. The Invisibility spell does not say or imply in any way that you become any more or less visible than hiding. It doesn't say you become translucent, or anything. It literally only grants the identical thing the Hide action grants. So something is wrong here. Either the Invisibility spell does nothing and See Invisible also does nothing, or somehow being seen doesn't mean being in their line of sight but instead means a perception check, or passive perception detection, or blindsight, truesight, or something like that. I've slowly come to the conclusion they mean the later. Once you successfully hide while out of sight, you're now unseen even once you move out of cover and into open line of sight, until you break the condition with something you do (attack, cast spell, etc), or something spots you using passive perception, active perception check, or a special ability or spell enables detection. I think that's how they intend for it to work. [/QUOTE]
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