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Message: <blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4249976" data-attributes="member: 59219">I'm not going to question your recollection, but I see this a lot:  "That's what hundreds/thousands/millions of people said about [prior version]" - - I guess if I multiply [topics being complained about] times [prior versions that came out for discussion], it seems like there must be no room on any boards anywhere for discussions of any other type.As far as not reaching a conclusion before having a chance to play a bit, I can understand where you're coming from, but I'm a Small Town Dude (TM), and so to get a chance to play a bit, I would need to buy a set of Core Books, sinking a substantial amount of cash into a game just to try it.My other option is to get KOTS - which I did at the cost of $30, and frankly I hate what I've read....and NOW of course I assume everyone's retort to my dislike for aspects of KOTS is 'well, it's really more of a combat demo and not how the game will really play out'....so I'm back to buying all the books to really 'get it', or just ignoring 4e.I think they really dropped the ball (with ME) by releasing an ADVENTURE for $30 that (if these forums are to be believed) gives no clearer picture of 4E than reading forum rants.</blockquote>