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<blockquote data-quote="phloog" data-source="post: 4250672" data-attributes="member: 59219"><p>Yep...and I have tried not to imply that what is fun or a 'good' game for me is fun or good for others - I'm just discussing those things about 4e that are keeping me from diving in and tossing $100 toward books.&nbsp; I firmly believe that people will have fun with 4e, and I think that my group COULD have fun with 4e...I just don't see us having MORE fun with 4e than we're having with other systems.&nbsp; I've successfully played my woodcarving counterfeiter/bluffmeister for months now, using 3rd edition rules, and even though I'm essentially USELESS in most combats (no sneak attack!), my character is who he is, and I have a great time.&nbsp; While 4E claims to have 'fixed' a lot of things, it sure doesn't look like it makes it any easier to play this character, so the extra $$$ for 4E doesn't seem to (at this point) get me anything other than slicker more minifiggy combat rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="phloog, post: 4250672, member: 59219"] Yep...and I have tried not to imply that what is fun or a 'good' game for me is fun or good for others - I'm just discussing those things about 4e that are keeping me from diving in and tossing $100 toward books. I firmly believe that people will have fun with 4e, and I think that my group COULD have fun with 4e...I just don't see us having MORE fun with 4e than we're having with other systems. I've successfully played my woodcarving counterfeiter/bluffmeister for months now, using 3rd edition rules, and even though I'm essentially USELESS in most combats (no sneak attack!), my character is who he is, and I have a great time. While 4E claims to have 'fixed' a lot of things, it sure doesn't look like it makes it any easier to play this character, so the extra $$$ for 4E doesn't seem to (at this point) get me anything other than slicker more minifiggy combat rules. [/QUOTE]

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