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<blockquote data-quote="AllisterH" data-source="post: 4251189" data-attributes="member: 51325">Hmm? Perhaps we have a different idea as to what is a discussion about roleplaying.Character creation doesnt start until page 25 with the 3 options about choosing your stats while beforehand, the PHB asks players to consider questions such as &quot;How does you character react to X&quot; With a list of possible traits to answer this and then the PHB asks the player to consider their background and how it affects them currently with questions such as&quot;What was the worst day of your character's life? What was the happiest?&quot;What would you consider &quot;discussions about roleplaying&quot;?Again, the ritual system and the skill system ENCOURAGE more roleplaying than ever before. What exactly are you looking for specifically since I've tried showing WHY the 4E system encourages roleplaying more than ever but you basically say &quot;oh, no it doesn't&quot;The actual combat chapter in the PHB is 30 pages which includes a listing of all status conditions as well as what would be considered the opening pages of the spell chapter from previous editions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AllisterH, post: 4251189, member: 51325"] Hmm? Perhaps we have a different idea as to what is a discussion about roleplaying. Character creation doesnt start until page 25 with the 3 options about choosing your stats while beforehand, the PHB asks players to consider questions such as "How does you character react to X" With a list of possible traits to answer this and then the PHB asks the player to consider their background and how it affects them currently with questions such as "What was the worst day of your character's life? What was the happiest?" What would you consider "discussions about roleplaying"? Again, the ritual system and the skill system ENCOURAGE more roleplaying than ever before. What exactly are you looking for specifically since I've tried showing WHY the 4E system encourages roleplaying more than ever but you basically say "oh, no it doesn't" The actual combat chapter in the PHB is 30 pages which includes a listing of all status conditions as well as what would be considered the opening pages of the spell chapter from previous editions. [/QUOTE]

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