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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5544911" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, I think you play in an entirely different environment than anyone I've ever played 4e with. Certainly at low levels this isn't realistic. As a simple example consider some level 1 strikers:A stabby rogue with CA doing an alpha strike on round 1, you could drop a 2W encounter power plus a 2W daily, that gives you 4W+STR+STR+DEX+DEX+2d6 which assuming you hit with both attacks WILL drop your average level 1 standard monster (around 30 HP). Of course you have only about a 60% chance to hit with both attacks...A bow ranger could manage 5W+DEX+DEX+1d6 with d8 W that would be about the same damage and would assume hitting at least 3 times, probably 4, which is going to happen under 50% of the time.Now, with serious optimization at high levels? Yeah, maybe. In heroic tier? Not in my experience. Realistically replacing one of the strikers with a leader won't make a lot of difference right off, but now that your strikers are done with their opening nova you're probably about equally well-off from a damage output standpoint from then on, but considering all the other dynamics of a full party it is probably a toss-up, which is pretty much what you'd expect.</blockquote>