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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 5012895" data-attributes="member: 80487">If you say so. I can only report that I choked on their math and mechanics every time I tried to swallow enough just to get through character generation. I put White Wolf in the same box as later Palladium Books, and sealed it with the Elder Sign. <shudder>Sure, although as Erick Wujcik himself pointed out, that was just a little step from the old-school RPGs (which tended, to degrees varying by GM, to go diceless for most things other than combat anyway). Obviously, that has nothing to do with WoD -- which went just the other way! From what I have seen of WoD, and at closer hand of Amber, they were more about both combat and storytelling than D&D at least had been prior to AD&D 2nd Edition.Stripped down compared with what? Aftermath? Fringeworthy? Rolemaster? Space Opera? Spawn of Fashan? Are you roll-playing instead of Role-playing? an ad asked back in 1980, proclaiming, Tunnels & Trolls is the answer!Gygax for one seems to have favored playing "anti-heroes" (mostly of Neutral alignment), from what I gather -- but evil PCs indeed were not favored. It is far from apparent to me how in fact favoring the evil extreme, positively wallowing in it, is any less "black and white", how it introduces "shades of gray" that were not present before. Vampires and Amberites seem simply to go as a routine to excesses of selfishness -- and self-absorption -- that would stand out as part of the varied palette in most other RPG campaigns.</blockquote>

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