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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6308778" data-attributes="member: 87792">No damaging spells for a 4e magic user or clericother&nbsp; than your second at will is perfectly possible.&nbsp; And I've played both&nbsp; loremasters and detectives in 4e with some quite absurd levels of&nbsp; knowledge. My most recent was a Bard who not only knew stuff, if he'd&nbsp; spent time in the town he was in he could always find the&nbsp; person most likely to know and convince them to tell him even if they&nbsp; themselves had forgotten or hadn't put it together.&nbsp; He had the Secrets&nbsp; of the City utility power that allowed him to use Streetwise in place of&nbsp; any knowledge skill.&nbsp; He had Skill Focus: Streetwise.&nbsp; And he had&nbsp; Bardic Lore (IIRC) - a utility power that allowed him to take 20 on any&nbsp; knowledge skill 1/day.&nbsp; Oh, and a set of divination rituals (of&nbsp; course).&nbsp; His combat skills ... mostly involved digging up their dirty&nbsp; secrets and the childhood taunts used against them so they lost their&nbsp; cool (Vicious Mockery as an at will, and Blunder as an encounter&nbsp; power).&nbsp; When you can use childhood nicknames that people want kept&nbsp; secret on the fly, that's divination and loremastery even if it was a specialist subject for him.This is a huge advantage 2e Speciality Priests have flavourwise over every other non-4E incarnation of the cleric.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6308778, member: 87792"] No damaging spells for a 4e magic user or clericother than your second at will is perfectly possible. And I've played both loremasters and detectives in 4e with some quite absurd levels of knowledge. My most recent was a Bard who not only knew stuff, if he'd spent time in the town he was in he could [I]always[/I] find the person most likely to know and convince them to tell him even if they themselves had forgotten or hadn't put it together. He had the Secrets of the City utility power that allowed him to use Streetwise in place of any knowledge skill. He had Skill Focus: Streetwise. And he had Bardic Lore (IIRC) - a utility power that allowed him to take 20 on any knowledge skill 1/day. Oh, and a set of divination rituals (of course). His combat skills ... mostly involved digging up their dirty secrets and the childhood taunts used against them so they lost their cool (Vicious Mockery as an at will, and Blunder as an encounter power). When you can use childhood nicknames that people want kept secret on the fly, [I]that's[/I] divination and loremastery even if it was a specialist subject for him. This is a huge advantage 2e Speciality Priests have flavourwise over every other non-4E incarnation of the cleric. [/QUOTE]

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