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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6309348" data-attributes="member: 87792">Good point.  I ran the AC numbers but didn't run the damage.  As a rule of thumb the fighter's static damage should be approximately the same as the rogue's.  So if the rogue does xd6+15 damage, the fighter should be doing yd+15.Floor level static damage for a fighter who started at Str 18 should be at level 12:4 (stat) + 1 (stat increase) + 3 (+3 weapon) +2 (weapon focus) +2 (Iron Armbands of Power - Heroic Tier) = +12That's not high, it's just a baseline.  The fighter should be doing more than that.Also  if the rogue is doing 5d6 damage at paragon tier, and their sneak  attack is 3d6 that means they are using a [2W] power.  Let's give the  fighter the same advantage.  And take into account the fighter also gets  a free +1 to hit.So.  If the rogue's hitting 65% of the time the fighter should be hitting at least 55% of the time (Combat Advantage).  Without CA the fighter is one of the most accurate classes in the game.If the rogue's doing 5d6+15 damage (average 32.5), the fighter should be doing at least  2d8+12 damage (and this is a minimum for competence for level 12).   (average 21).  They are then threatening on their Combat Challenge to do  a further d8+12 (average 16.5).  More likely if the rogue is  doing 5d6+15 damage with a shortsword is that the fighter will be doing  2d10+15 damage with a bastard sword and threatening another d10+15 and  at least one of those attacks will have Combat Advantage, so will match  the rogue's to hit.So.  It's two points easier to hit the rogue than the scale-and-large-shield fighter.  This much is true.  But is that really what you want to do?d8+7  damage as a fighter?  I've seen that at level two and it's very  possible at level one (+1 longsword, Weapon Focus, Str 20).  What is  your level 12 fighter playing at that they are doing so little damage?  Fighters who don't deal damage can not do their job.And  the difference between damage-defenders (I'm excluding Paladins and  Swordmages) and strikers is that you can adjust your tactics much more  easily to turn defenders into "just" something scary.  Strikers almost  always perform, defenders (chiefly fighters) can outmatch strikers if  the enemy lets them.  But most of the time strikers will do  more damage because no one in their senses will take their eyes off the  fighter.  And strikers have much more control over where their damage is  applied than defenders - the bodyguard is dispatched at the defender  which lets the striker dart through to shank the mage.</blockquote>

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