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<blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6309562" data-attributes="member: 6696971"><p>I don't agree with that premise. I've written about it on several occasions in other areas. I find both marking and martial forced movement to be fundamental paradigms in martial skirmishes including multiple participants, be it a sport or actual physical conflict. </p><p></p><p>Marking in physical combat is the Hoplite on your left or your right. If an enemy ignores his potential aggression and tries to get past his shield to get an angle of attack on you, he's putting a spear in that guy's ribs or that guy is getting a face full of shield. Its the guy laying down suppressing fire or charging the foxhole as you move into a nearby flanking position to deploy battery-destroying munitions. He has your back with both steadfast courage/dedication/sacrifice and the finely honed martial instincts and prowess to underwrite that promise. </p><p></p><p>Marking in the martial exchange of contact sports is the weakside defender coming to protect the rim when a strongside offender breaks down the defense and now must decide to take a difficult, challenged shot or hopefully get the ball to the open man. Its the guard in man to man defense getting up in the face of the offensive player and denying him the ball, forcing the offensive player to work extra hard if he wants to get a scoring opportunity or even get into the play. Its the defensemen maintaining the integrity of his back-checking discipline and patrolling the neutral zone, forever forcing any forward to keep his head on a swivel as he tries to penetrate into the offensive zone, lest he have the puck separated from his stick (or his head separated from his shoulders). Its a forward aggressively fore-checking a defenseman, forcing them to reverse the puck, retreat or potentially turn it over in a bad position. There are dozens of (American) football examples but those are enough.</p><p></p><p>Marking, the term itself, may merely be functional jargon to expedite a sort of play in a game (eg Defending). But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist as an actual concept in a myriad of incarnations within the scope of any martial skirmish. In fact, the concept of "marking" and melee control is rife within them. In fact, its such a common, pervasive element that I'll flatly contend that any system that doesn't present a means to at least attempt to abstract it isn't even trying to simulate the properties of actual martial exchanges.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Manbearcat, post: 6309562, member: 6696971"] I don't agree with that premise. I've written about it on several occasions in other areas. I find both marking and martial forced movement to be fundamental paradigms in martial skirmishes including multiple participants, be it a sport or actual physical conflict. Marking in physical combat is the Hoplite on your left or your right. If an enemy ignores his potential aggression and tries to get past his shield to get an angle of attack on you, he's putting a spear in that guy's ribs or that guy is getting a face full of shield. Its the guy laying down suppressing fire or charging the foxhole as you move into a nearby flanking position to deploy battery-destroying munitions. He has your back with both steadfast courage/dedication/sacrifice and the finely honed martial instincts and prowess to underwrite that promise. Marking in the martial exchange of contact sports is the weakside defender coming to protect the rim when a strongside offender breaks down the defense and now must decide to take a difficult, challenged shot or hopefully get the ball to the open man. Its the guard in man to man defense getting up in the face of the offensive player and denying him the ball, forcing the offensive player to work extra hard if he wants to get a scoring opportunity or even get into the play. Its the defensemen maintaining the integrity of his back-checking discipline and patrolling the neutral zone, forever forcing any forward to keep his head on a swivel as he tries to penetrate into the offensive zone, lest he have the puck separated from his stick (or his head separated from his shoulders). Its a forward aggressively fore-checking a defenseman, forcing them to reverse the puck, retreat or potentially turn it over in a bad position. There are dozens of (American) football examples but those are enough. Marking, the term itself, may merely be functional jargon to expedite a sort of play in a game (eg Defending). But that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist as an actual concept in a myriad of incarnations within the scope of any martial skirmish. In fact, the concept of "marking" and melee control is rife within them. In fact, its such a common, pervasive element that I'll flatly contend that any system that doesn't present a means to at least attempt to abstract it isn't even trying to simulate the properties of actual martial exchanges. [/QUOTE]
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