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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Staffan" data-source="post: 7878575" data-attributes="member: 907">I think you're misunderstanding what the "healthy" universe as portrayed by Werewolf/Mage (the OWOD games that gets the most into this kind of thing) would look like.The Wyld is the force of unbridled creation. The Weaver is the force of shaping things and keeping them controlled. And the Wyrm is the force that destroys and makes room for new things. They are essentially the same forces as the Fates of classic mythology: Clotho spins the thread of life, Lachesis measures it out, and Atropos cuts it.The Wyld is not "good". The Weaver is not "evil". The Wyrm is not normally evil either. But the forces involved have gone out of balance. This has lead to a world that is seemingly in stasis, and turned the Wyrm into a force of corruption instead of purification. If the Wyld had been ascendant, the world would instead have been moving toward formless chaos, which would not have been a good thing either.Also, while the Garou are the protagonists of Werewolf stories, that does not make them heroes. The original idea behind the World of Darkness games was that this was a game where you play monsters. The Garou are not automatically in the right. They have done a lot of horrible things in the past - culling humanity, nearly wiping other changing breeds out of existence, warfare between different tribes, and so on. That thing where humans are reduced to blubbering messes of terror when they see a Crinos-form Garou? That's not due to some supernatural aura, that's due to genetic memory of the massacres Garou perpetrated upon humanity. The eco-terrorist angle favored by many Garou is probably a dead end, if nothing else because they don't have the numbers or power to win by force. But it makes them feel good, so that's what they do, instead of trying more political solutions. All in all, the Garou are no less monstrous than the Kindred, but they probably feel better about it.</blockquote>

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