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<blockquote data-quote="Primal" data-source="post: 4933248" data-attributes="member: 30678">Well, off the top of my head I remember Deadlands combining &quot;action cards&quot; and dice pools (consisting of dice of different sizes), and I'd count it among &quot;mainstream&quot; RPGs (I don't know if it has any stances or something equivalent to them, as it's been years since I read the book). Then there's 'Legends of Alyria' which has cool, thematic custom dice to resolve conflicts. 'Dragonlance SAGA' used cards (representing different characters from the books) that were linked to &quot;characteristic suits&quot; (e.g. Moon = Reason) and alignment, and although the system didn't hold together very well, you could use the cards in very innovative and alternative ways to resolve actions and narration. Stances are nothing new, either -- didn't ToB include them for D&amp;D, even? Likewise with &quot;tension meter&quot; or social/event grid; I can't recall the name of the system at the moment, but I remember that one system used &quot;danger meter&quot; (as it went up, things got harder for the PCs; naturally, winding it back meant things were easier) and IIRC 'Grey Ranks' uses some sort of grid to map emotions/danger/tension (actually, a number of indie games use meters/grid in this sense).You're probably correct that no single system has tried *all* that; 'Deadlands' out of the &quot;mainstream&quot; systems probably comes closest to what FFG tries with WFRP 3E (boardgames are another matter, though). However, I don't see anything that would be &quot;new&quot; or &quot;innovative&quot; or &quot;revolutionary&quot; in the sense that it wouldn't have already appeared in a RPG or boardgame. I wouldn't claim my new RPG system was &quot;revolutionary&quot; if I took 90% of the mechanics/elements/components from a handful of different RPGs (e.g. the jenga tower from 'Dread', hand-drawn grid from 'Grey Ranks', negotiation phrases from 'Polaris', Insanity points from CoC, Virtues and Flaws from Ars Magica, Quest Cards from D&amp;D, and so on).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Primal, post: 4933248, member: 30678"] Well, off the top of my head I remember Deadlands combining "action cards" and dice pools (consisting of dice of different sizes), and I'd count it among "mainstream" RPGs (I don't know if it has any stances or something equivalent to them, as it's been years since I read the book). Then there's 'Legends of Alyria' which has cool, thematic custom dice to resolve conflicts. 'Dragonlance SAGA' used cards (representing different characters from the books) that were linked to "characteristic suits" (e.g. Moon = Reason) and alignment, and although the system didn't hold together very well, you could use the cards in very innovative and alternative ways to resolve actions and narration. Stances are nothing new, either -- didn't ToB include them for D&D, even? Likewise with "tension meter" or social/event grid; I can't recall the name of the system at the moment, but I remember that one system used "danger meter" (as it went up, things got harder for the PCs; naturally, winding it back meant things were easier) and IIRC 'Grey Ranks' uses some sort of grid to map emotions/danger/tension (actually, a number of indie games use meters/grid in this sense). You're probably correct that no single system has tried *all* that; 'Deadlands' out of the "mainstream" systems probably comes closest to what FFG tries with WFRP 3E (boardgames are another matter, though). However, I don't see anything that would be "new" or "innovative" or "revolutionary" in the sense that it wouldn't have already appeared in a RPG or boardgame. I wouldn't claim my new RPG system was "revolutionary" if I took 90% of the mechanics/elements/components from a handful of different RPGs (e.g. the jenga tower from 'Dread', hand-drawn grid from 'Grey Ranks', negotiation phrases from 'Polaris', Insanity points from CoC, Virtues and Flaws from Ars Magica, Quest Cards from D&D, and so on). [/QUOTE]

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