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<blockquote data-quote="SteveC" data-source="post: 5434294" data-attributes="member: 9053">I guess I'll have to chime in and be the opposing voice: I've been having a blast with the game, and consider it to be one of my best purchases in the last couple of years.The system does have a bit of a learning curve, but once you understand the dice pool system, it really shines. When you make a check you really get a sense of what happened and why. Our GM makes an effort to put a real sense of story behind each die roll, and as a result we roll the dice much less but each one means more. I would call this akin to the &quot;Let it Ride&quot; strategy from Burning Wheel.Combat is very tactical, in fact I'd say it's one of the most tactical systems out there, but you don't need minis and a grid to run it. I think a lot of the hate for the game comes from the fact that it offers a new way of doing things (the cards and &quot;bits&quot; are not to everyone's liking) and it has yet to really develop the full range of character options of previous editions. I haven't felt that to be a problem, as the character I'm playing is an agent who has trained into being an apprentice magician. I have a long way to go before I bump up against the ceiling of the game's development options.So I'd suggest giving it a try. The new players kits that are coming out present the game in a much more traditional format, so if that was what kept you from trying it, you can play the game largely without the bits.Strangely, as the WotC situation continues to develop, I can't help but think that Warhammer 3 is what WotC would have liked D&amp;D 4 to be.If anyone has questions about the game, I'd be happy to try and answer them. If you'd like to see about our group's game, you can take a look <a href="http://vorpalchainsword.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">here </a>as well.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SteveC, post: 5434294, member: 9053"] I guess I'll have to chime in and be the opposing voice: I've been having a blast with the game, and consider it to be one of my best purchases in the last couple of years. The system does have a bit of a learning curve, but once you understand the dice pool system, it really shines. When you make a check you really get a sense of what happened and why. Our GM makes an effort to put a real sense of story behind each die roll, and as a result we roll the dice much less but each one means more. I would call this akin to the "Let it Ride" strategy from Burning Wheel. Combat is very tactical, in fact I'd say it's one of the most tactical systems out there, but you don't need minis and a grid to run it. I think a lot of the hate for the game comes from the fact that it offers a new way of doing things (the cards and "bits" are not to everyone's liking) and it has yet to really develop the full range of character options of previous editions. I haven't felt that to be a problem, as the character I'm playing is an agent who has trained into being an apprentice magician. I have a long way to go before I bump up against the ceiling of the game's development options. So I'd suggest giving it a try. The new players kits that are coming out present the game in a much more traditional format, so if that was what kept you from trying it, you can play the game largely without the bits. Strangely, as the WotC situation continues to develop, I can't help but think that Warhammer 3 is what WotC would have liked D&D 4 to be. If anyone has questions about the game, I'd be happy to try and answer them. If you'd like to see about our group's game, you can take a look [URL="http://vorpalchainsword.blogspot.com/"]here [/URL]as well. [/QUOTE]

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