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<blockquote data-quote="haiiro" data-source="post: 787171" data-attributes="member: 1891">Plane Sailing's point is an excellent one, and one of the main objections I have to WotC's point buy system.I used to use a straight (1:1) point buy system when I ran 2e, generally with 74-78 points to work with (and a minimum score of 3 in any attribute, of course). I treated racial attribute modifiers as altering the maximum points you could allocate to an attribute, not as affecting its total. For example: elves could allot 20 points to DEX, but only 16 to CON. From a mathematical/statistical standpoint, I'm not sure quite what effect this has -- but it seemed to work out fairly well in practice.In 3e terms, this would gave races like the races like the half-orc a mechanical boost -- instead of losing 2 points after applying modifiers, they simply have one more attribute that gets capped at 16 (in the half-orc's case, at least).Expressing a 1:1 system as &quot;3 in each stat and xx points to spend&quot; is much more elegant; I'll have to remember that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Am I correct in thinking that the 56 point approach works out to a fair amount more than any of WotC's point buys? By my math, I can squeeze 18/18/10/10/10/8 out of 56 points, which is more than the 18/18/8/8/8/8 I can get from WotC's 32 point buy. Is this correct? Is 56 points equivalent to a particular level of WotC-style point buy?seasong (or others), do you have any more general comments on the nature of the 56 point 1:1 system? In any case, thanks for a very interesting read so far -- you guys are good at this math stuff. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="haiiro, post: 787171, member: 1891"] Plane Sailing's point is an excellent one, and one of the main objections I have to WotC's point buy system. I used to use a straight (1:1) point buy system when I ran 2e, generally with 74-78 points to work with (and a minimum score of 3 in any attribute, of course). I treated racial attribute modifiers as altering the maximum points you could allocate to an attribute, not as affecting its total. For example: elves could allot 20 points to DEX, but only 16 to CON. From a mathematical/statistical standpoint, I'm not sure quite what effect this has -- but it seemed to work out fairly well in practice. In 3e terms, this would gave races like the races like the half-orc a mechanical boost -- instead of losing 2 points after applying modifiers, they simply have one more attribute that gets capped at 16 (in the half-orc's case, at least). Expressing a 1:1 system as "3 in each stat and xx points to spend" is much more elegant; I'll have to remember that. ;) Am I correct in thinking that the 56 point approach works out to a fair amount more than any of WotC's point buys? By my math, I can squeeze 18/18/10/10/10/8 out of 56 points, which is more than the 18/18/8/8/8/8 I can get from WotC's 32 point buy. Is this correct? Is 56 points equivalent to a particular level of WotC-style point buy? seasong (or others), do you have any more general comments on the nature of the 56 point 1:1 system? In any case, thanks for a very interesting read so far -- you guys are good at this math stuff. :D [/QUOTE]

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