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<blockquote data-quote="RogueJK" data-source="post: 7919475" data-attributes="member: 170"><p>Any build that relies on two feats will usually take until Level 8 to come online anyway. Nearly all characters get their first feat at Level 4, and their second feat at Level 8.</p><p></p><p>You can get two feats earlier with a Variant Human, but that's not an option since you want to take Elven Accuracy.</p><p></p><p>You could get two feats earlier at Level 6 as a straight Fighter, but that would rule out Hexblade and thus invalidate Elven Accuracy since you'dhave to be making STR-based Greatsword attacks.</p><p></p><p>So all things considered, Level 9 is about as good as it gets. It'd also be doable one level earlier at Fighter4/Warlock4, but that comes at the steep cost of unnecessarily delaying your Extra Attack, and is a terrible choice.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Hexblade5/Fighter4 will likely be your best option.</p><p></p><p>Start with Hexblade 5. That gets you CHA based attacks from the start with a Longsword wielded in two hands, then Blade Pact for a Greatsword at Level 3, then Elven Accuracy at Level 4, then the Extra Attack invocation Thirsting Blade at Level 5. That lays down the bones of the build as early as possible, and keeps you on track with your feat and Extra Attack through Level 5. You also get 19-20 crits against one target per short rest from Hexblade's Curse.</p><p></p><p>Then go Fighter 4 from there, choosing 2H or Defense Fighting Style at Fighter 1 (6), then Champion at Fighter 3 (8) for all day 19-20 crits, and then GWM feat at Fighter 4 (9).</p><p></p><p></p><p>From there, you can go one of two ways:</p><p></p><p>You could go straight Hexblade from then on for additional spells and higher level invocations, ending up with a Fighter 4/Hexblade X build.</p><p></p><p>Or else go Fighter 5, then Hexblade 6 to get your Spectre and swap out your redundant Extra Attack invocation for something else, and then go straight Fighter from there for a Hexblade 6/Fighter X build. (This would be less ideal, IMO. You would eventually get an additional attack over a primarily Hexblade build, but not until very late -Level 17. And Champion's 7th and 10th level abilities are rather lackluster compared to additional Warlock levels.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Another thing to consider for feat-heavy builds like this is that you're missing out on all your ASIs for the first many levels. So it's really only feasible if you roll your stats, and roll well (17-18) at least once. It's not doable with the standard array or point buy. You won't want to be cruising around with just a 16 in your attack/casting CHA stat at levels much over Tier 1. And you'll want a decent DEX and CON of 14 ish for this build too.</p><p></p><p>If sticking an 18ish in CHA from the start isnt an option, then you should strongly consider ditching/delaying GWM, going +2 CHA at Level 4, and pushing EA back to Level 9. Even without GWM, you'll still eventually have a nice damage boost from your crit fishing with 19-20 and Triple Advantage. And you can still pick up GWM later around Level 12ish if desired.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RogueJK, post: 7919475, member: 170"] Any build that relies on two feats will usually take until Level 8 to come online anyway. Nearly all characters get their first feat at Level 4, and their second feat at Level 8. You can get two feats earlier with a Variant Human, but that's not an option since you want to take Elven Accuracy. You could get two feats earlier at Level 6 as a straight Fighter, but that would rule out Hexblade and thus invalidate Elven Accuracy since you'dhave to be making STR-based Greatsword attacks. So all things considered, Level 9 is about as good as it gets. It'd also be doable one level earlier at Fighter4/Warlock4, but that comes at the steep cost of unnecessarily delaying your Extra Attack, and is a terrible choice. Hexblade5/Fighter4 will likely be your best option. Start with Hexblade 5. That gets you CHA based attacks from the start with a Longsword wielded in two hands, then Blade Pact for a Greatsword at Level 3, then Elven Accuracy at Level 4, then the Extra Attack invocation Thirsting Blade at Level 5. That lays down the bones of the build as early as possible, and keeps you on track with your feat and Extra Attack through Level 5. You also get 19-20 crits against one target per short rest from Hexblade's Curse. Then go Fighter 4 from there, choosing 2H or Defense Fighting Style at Fighter 1 (6), then Champion at Fighter 3 (8) for all day 19-20 crits, and then GWM feat at Fighter 4 (9). From there, you can go one of two ways: You could go straight Hexblade from then on for additional spells and higher level invocations, ending up with a Fighter 4/Hexblade X build. Or else go Fighter 5, then Hexblade 6 to get your Spectre and swap out your redundant Extra Attack invocation for something else, and then go straight Fighter from there for a Hexblade 6/Fighter X build. (This would be less ideal, IMO. You would eventually get an additional attack over a primarily Hexblade build, but not until very late -Level 17. And Champion's 7th and 10th level abilities are rather lackluster compared to additional Warlock levels.) Another thing to consider for feat-heavy builds like this is that you're missing out on all your ASIs for the first many levels. So it's really only feasible if you roll your stats, and roll well (17-18) at least once. It's not doable with the standard array or point buy. You won't want to be cruising around with just a 16 in your attack/casting CHA stat at levels much over Tier 1. And you'll want a decent DEX and CON of 14 ish for this build too. If sticking an 18ish in CHA from the start isnt an option, then you should strongly consider ditching/delaying GWM, going +2 CHA at Level 4, and pushing EA back to Level 9. Even without GWM, you'll still eventually have a nice damage boost from your crit fishing with 19-20 and Triple Advantage. And you can still pick up GWM later around Level 12ish if desired. [/QUOTE]
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