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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 7979412" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>Let's rephrase that ever so slightly:</p><p></p><p><em>You arent requited to play in my game. Nor am I required to let you play. Not am i required to treat <s>Orcs</s> <strong>savage people with dark skin</strong> with any nuance. Nor is that racist. If I want to treat them like undead instead of humans, if that's the narrative I've constructed, then that's what it is. Fantasy is a genre that admits if black and white. The real world doesnt of course, but fantasy isn't the real world, thank goodness.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The real issue here is that s set of people have constructed a narrative wherein they find treatment X of <s>orcs</s> <strong>savage people with dark skin </strong>racist and objectionable. So they reevaluate and construct a different version where <s>orcs</s> <strong>savage people with dark skin </strong>are treated like they think humans should be. I'm quite sure they arent lying, and the effort is commendable, but we havent gotten to the actual issue yet. </em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The issue is that some of that same set of people have decided that, first, all treatments of <s>orcs</s> <strong>savage people with dark skin</strong> except their 'solution' are racist and objectionable. Anyone who disagrees with their solution is wrong. That might have some juice in the real world, but it means nothing for RPGs. Why? Because they are pretending that the issue only has a binary solution. Which is nonsense. The reality is that there are hundreds or thousands of different variations on <s>orcs</s> <strong>savage people with dark skin </strong>at the table, and those people and their binary reductionist nonsense dont get to speak for the whole hobby. </em></p><p></p><p>The issue is the stuff people say about orcs (they're less intelligent, they can't control their anger, they're little more than beasts) is horrible stuff said to real people. It's stuff they've heard all their life and the games they choose to play shouldn't say it back to them.</p><p></p><p>Is that good for a hobby that should be welcoming to all? Shouldn't we try to make our hobby and game (and even game tables) open and accessible to everyone?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 7979412, member: 37579"] Let's rephrase that ever so slightly: [I]You arent requited to play in my game. Nor am I required to let you play. Not am i required to treat [S]Orcs[/S] [B]savage people with dark skin[/B] with any nuance. Nor is that racist. If I want to treat them like undead instead of humans, if that's the narrative I've constructed, then that's what it is. Fantasy is a genre that admits if black and white. The real world doesnt of course, but fantasy isn't the real world, thank goodness. The real issue here is that s set of people have constructed a narrative wherein they find treatment X of [S]orcs[/S] [B]savage people with dark skin [/B]racist and objectionable. So they reevaluate and construct a different version where [S]orcs[/S] [B]savage people with dark skin [/B]are treated like they think humans should be. I'm quite sure they arent lying, and the effort is commendable, but we havent gotten to the actual issue yet. The issue is that some of that same set of people have decided that, first, all treatments of [S]orcs[/S] [B]savage people with dark skin[/B] except their 'solution' are racist and objectionable. Anyone who disagrees with their solution is wrong. That might have some juice in the real world, but it means nothing for RPGs. Why? Because they are pretending that the issue only has a binary solution. Which is nonsense. The reality is that there are hundreds or thousands of different variations on [S]orcs[/S] [B]savage people with dark skin [/B]at the table, and those people and their binary reductionist nonsense dont get to speak for the whole hobby. [/I] The issue is the stuff people say about orcs (they're less intelligent, they can't control their anger, they're little more than beasts) is horrible stuff said to real people. It's stuff they've heard all their life and the games they choose to play shouldn't say it back to them. Is that good for a hobby that should be welcoming to all? Shouldn't we try to make our hobby and game (and even game tables) open and accessible to everyone? [/QUOTE]
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