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<blockquote data-quote="Yaarel" data-source="post: 8571559" data-attributes="member: 58172"><p>I am trying to get what it is that you find appealing.</p><p></p><p>Are you honestly trying to get what I find appealing?</p><p></p><p>In my eyes, any uselessly complex mechanics of pre-3e psionics are less appealing, and 3e to 5e psionics are magic. It is challenging to perceive the benefit you are trying to describe.</p><p></p><p>I am trying to see it. I dont need to agree, but it helps if I can make sense of why you like what you do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok.</p><p></p><p>At the same time. The 3e Psion uses 9 spell slot levels for its full spellcasting. I am a fan of the Psion full caster. Slot levels are the most balanced way to gate extremely powerful effects like Wish.</p><p></p><p>But. There are different kinds of psionic classes. Not all of them are fullcasters. It makes sense for a second psionic class to have experimental mechanics.</p><p></p><p>If there are two classes, one for a psionic caster and one for a psionic noncaster, that should resolve the diversity of preferences.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I find the nine spell schools unhelpful too.</p><p></p><p>I prefer to reorganize the spell list by "themes", each spell gets a theme tag. ... And these themes happen to be the exact same thing as psionic disciplines.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Spell points would be an easy solution, if the 5e DMG spell point system didnt hurt the eyes.</p><p></p><p>Still, the Warlock has a different chassis for spellcasting, so there are other ways to go about spell casting.</p><p></p><p></p><p>3e, 4e, and 5e have all made psionics a form of magic. That ship has sailed.</p><p></p><p>On the other hand, there is designer talk about different power sources in 5e: arcane, divine, psionic, primal, and martial. Each source has its own spin on what its powers are.</p><p></p><p></p><p>5e is a democracy. The designers implement the mechanics and flavors that pass the 60% approval rating threshold. 5e is what it is. The DMs Guild is an avenue for more niche content.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes.</p><p></p><p>Even so, I find it more helpful to count 5 tiers, corresponding to the proficiency bonus improvements: 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16, and 17-20.</p><p></p><p>The 9-12 tier feels very different from 5-8, and is important for ballparking the appropriate levels of an adventure, for discussions about the Fighter, 1e "name" levels when creating an institution of some kind depending on the class like stronghold or magic academy, and other topics that concern this tier of mid-levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It kinda is like that with spells.</p><p></p><p>Tier 1-4 is slots 1 and 2.</p><p>Tier 5-8 is slots 3 and 4. Fireball and Revivify.</p><p>Tier 9-12 is slots 5 and 6. Wall of Force and Heal.</p><p>Tier 13-16 is slots 7 and 8. These spells tend to be lame, noniconic.</p><p>Tier 17-20: Wish! Slot 9 spells are what make this tier this tier.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I like disciplines. I see 4 main disciplines, each subdividing into sciences. We can dicuss what the disciplines should be. I definitely want disciplines.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It helps if there is a 5e model to compare to, whether Bard or Warlock, or Paladin or Monk.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yaarel, post: 8571559, member: 58172"] I am trying to get what it is that you find appealing. Are you honestly trying to get what I find appealing? In my eyes, any uselessly complex mechanics of pre-3e psionics are less appealing, and 3e to 5e psionics are magic. It is challenging to perceive the benefit you are trying to describe. I am trying to see it. I dont need to agree, but it helps if I can make sense of why you like what you do. Yeah. Ok. At the same time. The 3e Psion uses 9 spell slot levels for its full spellcasting. I am a fan of the Psion full caster. Slot levels are the most balanced way to gate extremely powerful effects like Wish. But. There are different kinds of psionic classes. Not all of them are fullcasters. It makes sense for a second psionic class to have experimental mechanics. If there are two classes, one for a psionic caster and one for a psionic noncaster, that should resolve the diversity of preferences. I find the nine spell schools unhelpful too. I prefer to reorganize the spell list by "themes", each spell gets a theme tag. ... And these themes happen to be the exact same thing as psionic disciplines. Spell points would be an easy solution, if the 5e DMG spell point system didnt hurt the eyes. Still, the Warlock has a different chassis for spellcasting, so there are other ways to go about spell casting. 3e, 4e, and 5e have all made psionics a form of magic. That ship has sailed. On the other hand, there is designer talk about different power sources in 5e: arcane, divine, psionic, primal, and martial. Each source has its own spin on what its powers are. 5e is a democracy. The designers implement the mechanics and flavors that pass the 60% approval rating threshold. 5e is what it is. The DMs Guild is an avenue for more niche content. Yes. Even so, I find it more helpful to count 5 tiers, corresponding to the proficiency bonus improvements: 1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16, and 17-20. The 9-12 tier feels very different from 5-8, and is important for ballparking the appropriate levels of an adventure, for discussions about the Fighter, 1e "name" levels when creating an institution of some kind depending on the class like stronghold or magic academy, and other topics that concern this tier of mid-levels. It kinda is like that with spells. Tier 1-4 is slots 1 and 2. Tier 5-8 is slots 3 and 4. Fireball and Revivify. Tier 9-12 is slots 5 and 6. Wall of Force and Heal. Tier 13-16 is slots 7 and 8. These spells tend to be lame, noniconic. Tier 17-20: Wish! Slot 9 spells are what make this tier this tier. I like disciplines. I see 4 main disciplines, each subdividing into sciences. We can dicuss what the disciplines should be. I definitely want disciplines. It helps if there is a 5e model to compare to, whether Bard or Warlock, or Paladin or Monk. [/QUOTE]
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