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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9744203" data-attributes="member: 18">Level 9 in 2024. Having a guy you can phone up and ask 5 questions, none of which he has to answer, and which might make him angry if you keep doing, doesn't mean you need to make it a major part of the campaign, which was what you seemed to say:It just doesn't.It doesn't force you to do anything beyond identify the patron and have some idea how you want to RP them BY LEVEL 9. That's going to be months of play in most campaigns. I think you can figure out one NPC over months. They don't have to be a "major power player". They don't even have to respond to the questions (it's quite likely a Great Old One wouldn't, for example). Many patrons won't be interested in the world the PC lives in, even. Others might be very interested and have a ton of requests or demands for the PC. It's up to you and the player to determine that.Re: "pulling teeth", I have no idea what the situation was there, but if the player wanted the Patron to be a "major power player", and you wanted to accommodate that, but the player failed to provide any help in doing so, that's kind of on them. And you could always have said no. It's optional. If you just decided for them that the Patron would be though, that's on you. Nobody made you lol in that case.</blockquote>