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What 3.5 feats would you use to duplicate 4E's monster roles?
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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5109640" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I'm a bit confused. Don't 3e monsters already have feats? What is your goal here? Are you trying to redesign all the 3e monsters so that they are more standardized? That is to say, every monster with the 'brute' role would have the same feats or rather, same progression of feats according to its HD?</p><p></p><p>For example, 1HD level brutes would all have power attack, and then maybe pick up cleave at 3HD and so forth?</p><p></p><p>First of all, I think the feats already differentiate these monsters. They've already got feats. Those feats given them a different set of minor abilities.</p><p></p><p>Secondly, for any given 4e monster role, there are several possible feat trees because any given monster role can be fulfilled in several ways. For example, a striker might move up a melee combat feat tree ('Powerful Charge') or it might take a missile weapon feat tree ('Pointblank Shot') or it might enhance its spell-like ability ('Empower Spell-like Ability'). Similarly, a 'soldier' might take feats that enhance its AC ('Combat Expertise') or it might take feats that enhance its hit points ('Toughness').</p><p></p><p>Thirdly, the problem I think you'll run into that is the most serious is that there is major overlap between the roles. Most monsters aren't really pure 'brutes' or pure 'skirmishers', but mix different sorts of abilities so that they are maybe 'soldier/controllers' or 'brute/skirmishers'. For example, you might take 'Combat Expertise' for a soldier, but the immediately available feats further up the feat tree are 'controllerish' feats like Improved Trip or Improved Disarm. Is a monster with 'Hold the Line' soldierish for being defensive, or controllerish for exherting control over battlefield space? Heck if I know, and really I don't really care.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5109640, member: 4937"] I'm a bit confused. Don't 3e monsters already have feats? What is your goal here? Are you trying to redesign all the 3e monsters so that they are more standardized? That is to say, every monster with the 'brute' role would have the same feats or rather, same progression of feats according to its HD? For example, 1HD level brutes would all have power attack, and then maybe pick up cleave at 3HD and so forth? First of all, I think the feats already differentiate these monsters. They've already got feats. Those feats given them a different set of minor abilities. Secondly, for any given 4e monster role, there are several possible feat trees because any given monster role can be fulfilled in several ways. For example, a striker might move up a melee combat feat tree ('Powerful Charge') or it might take a missile weapon feat tree ('Pointblank Shot') or it might enhance its spell-like ability ('Empower Spell-like Ability'). Similarly, a 'soldier' might take feats that enhance its AC ('Combat Expertise') or it might take feats that enhance its hit points ('Toughness'). Thirdly, the problem I think you'll run into that is the most serious is that there is major overlap between the roles. Most monsters aren't really pure 'brutes' or pure 'skirmishers', but mix different sorts of abilities so that they are maybe 'soldier/controllers' or 'brute/skirmishers'. For example, you might take 'Combat Expertise' for a soldier, but the immediately available feats further up the feat tree are 'controllerish' feats like Improved Trip or Improved Disarm. Is a monster with 'Hold the Line' soldierish for being defensive, or controllerish for exherting control over battlefield space? Heck if I know, and really I don't really care. [/QUOTE]
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