Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
NOW LIVE! Today's the day you meet your new best friend. You don’t have to leave Wolfy behind... In 'Pets & Sidekicks' your companions level up with you!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What 4e does right
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Runestar" data-source="post: 4989390" data-attributes="member: 72317"><p>I like the way monsters were streamlined and simplified. </p><p></p><p>In 4e, high lv monsters are actually effective in melee, compared to 3e, where many high lv foes are simply spellcaster variants with sr and more hp. For instance, I thought the 4e balor captured the spirit of a balrog better than the 3e version. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>4e monster abilities are also easier to use, and they tend to make more efficient use of the action economy unlike 3e, where you often had several attacks that competed with one another for that precious standard action. </p><p></p><p>Their stats are also independent of HD and gear, so you know monsters are balanced vs PCs of a certain lv. You don't have to pour over 10 different splatbooks and agonize over how to best stat up your 16th human fighter to make him worth that cr16 for instance. Just ratchet up his stats to the recommended guidelines. </p><p></p><p>In 3e? You had issues where simply playing around with a monster's feat slots could make them much more challenging. Giving a pit fiend a monk's belt increased its AC by 7. Don't even get me started with how one could abuse a dragon's spellcasting. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>I am sure there are many more, but these are just the few that really jump out at me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Runestar, post: 4989390, member: 72317"] I like the way monsters were streamlined and simplified. In 4e, high lv monsters are actually effective in melee, compared to 3e, where many high lv foes are simply spellcaster variants with sr and more hp. For instance, I thought the 4e balor captured the spirit of a balrog better than the 3e version. ;) 4e monster abilities are also easier to use, and they tend to make more efficient use of the action economy unlike 3e, where you often had several attacks that competed with one another for that precious standard action. Their stats are also independent of HD and gear, so you know monsters are balanced vs PCs of a certain lv. You don't have to pour over 10 different splatbooks and agonize over how to best stat up your 16th human fighter to make him worth that cr16 for instance. Just ratchet up his stats to the recommended guidelines. In 3e? You had issues where simply playing around with a monster's feat slots could make them much more challenging. Giving a pit fiend a monk's belt increased its AC by 7. Don't even get me started with how one could abuse a dragon's spellcasting. :p I am sure there are many more, but these are just the few that really jump out at me. :) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
What 4e does right
Top
