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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6009453" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Yeah, I don't think Essentials is a BAD product. In fact the e-classes are perfectly reasonable, they just don't bring a vast amount more to the game. I think Essentials was just the wrong product at the wrong time. Instead of WotC maintaining confidence in their core product design decisions and spending their time studying what people were doing with 4e and what that told them about the strengths of the product, and then playing to those strengths, instead they lost their nerve. They stopped believing in the underlying quality of the product and wasted their time making a whole bunch of already-existing classes in a way that was contrary to the original concept. Having duplicates of existing classes was at best marginally useful, and confusing people with a whole alternate set of core books was just dumb.</p><p></p><p>The sad part in my mind is that they've drawn all the wrong conclusions from their 4e experience. Where's the confidence in the product now? Where's the innovation and will to make a better product? No, now we have a rehash of yesteryear that can't even decide what it is trying to be and is loaded down with "the edition for everyone" nonsense. </p><p></p><p>Look at the hilarity of the whole 'wizard debate'. They pump out a pretty much bog standard Vancian wizard. Predictably a lot of people roll their eyes and complain about it. Next they pump out 2 more caster classes that are non-Vancian and tell everyone "well, if you don't like Vancian play these!". Well, now, after 2 weeks of people raising a big stink they're back to "Oh, well, we'll make a non-Vancian wizard option." Which is it? I mean there's listening to your customers and then there's not having a clue and not having the nuts to do something and live by it. </p><p></p><p>All I can see is a WotC and a DDN that is nothing but endless recapitulations of the Essentials mistake. Meanwhile they're chasing PF's taillights with a core game design that is a 20 year step back from what they just gave up on. Yeah, that will really work. Damn, I want Rob Heinsoo back. At least he had the balls to do something and believe in it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 6009453, member: 82106"] Yeah, I don't think Essentials is a BAD product. In fact the e-classes are perfectly reasonable, they just don't bring a vast amount more to the game. I think Essentials was just the wrong product at the wrong time. Instead of WotC maintaining confidence in their core product design decisions and spending their time studying what people were doing with 4e and what that told them about the strengths of the product, and then playing to those strengths, instead they lost their nerve. They stopped believing in the underlying quality of the product and wasted their time making a whole bunch of already-existing classes in a way that was contrary to the original concept. Having duplicates of existing classes was at best marginally useful, and confusing people with a whole alternate set of core books was just dumb. The sad part in my mind is that they've drawn all the wrong conclusions from their 4e experience. Where's the confidence in the product now? Where's the innovation and will to make a better product? No, now we have a rehash of yesteryear that can't even decide what it is trying to be and is loaded down with "the edition for everyone" nonsense. Look at the hilarity of the whole 'wizard debate'. They pump out a pretty much bog standard Vancian wizard. Predictably a lot of people roll their eyes and complain about it. Next they pump out 2 more caster classes that are non-Vancian and tell everyone "well, if you don't like Vancian play these!". Well, now, after 2 weeks of people raising a big stink they're back to "Oh, well, we'll make a non-Vancian wizard option." Which is it? I mean there's listening to your customers and then there's not having a clue and not having the nuts to do something and live by it. All I can see is a WotC and a DDN that is nothing but endless recapitulations of the Essentials mistake. Meanwhile they're chasing PF's taillights with a core game design that is a 20 year step back from what they just gave up on. Yeah, that will really work. Damn, I want Rob Heinsoo back. At least he had the balls to do something and believe in it. [/QUOTE]
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