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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ariosto" data-source="post: 5084929" data-attributes="member: 80487">I have discounted some actual play -- specifically, RPGA play -- in considering aspects in which it is notably eccentric relative to the game as presented in the texts.The fact of taking the rulebook (!) into account is not the same as taking no account of actual play, unless it were the case that the two were utterly unrelated (in which case, it is obscure on what basis one might expect any given example of actual play to resemble any other, or indeed to what end one might offer a 'new edition' in the first place). I do not think you have considered carefully the implications of your suggestion!I accept that those who have claimed to loathe with a passion this or that 'edition' are being honest.Does sarcasm really obscure the point? Then I guess I must spell out that you have held up as an increase in wealth what is in fact at best a zero-sum game of "I've got mine, Jack, get yours." If you seriously believed I would believe that no new game could be published under a new name, then you must have supposed me so ignorant of your company's history.Even if one is determined not in fact to increase the range of offerings, it is still possible to present under a different name something that is in fact different. Firms do that with the same thing, even!If the game that once was called D&D was such a horrible imposition on people who did not like it, then how is 4e not just as horrible? How is not any game just as bad? I mean, RuneQuest uses d%, and does not have character classes or levels or experience points; it is in way after way quite different from 4e! Tunnels & Trolls has classes and levels and experience points, but is in other ways as mutually incomprehensible with old D&D as is 4e. If you want 'builds" without petty limits, and really super-duper heroes, and far-out tactical combat with miniatures on a grid, then Champions has got you covered -- but it also is not 4e.And, surprise, surprise ... well, not really, for those of us who not only are acquainted with the industry's history but have lived through it ... not one of those other games is called Dungeons & Dragons.Against that, the evidence you offer that any new game from WotC must be called D&D is -- what? The evidence that WotC cannot offer more than one game is what? You just throw out these unsupported claims as if they were Newton's Laws.</blockquote>

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