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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 3794059" data-attributes="member: 50987">There is a lot of talk in this forum, as well as on blogs, Gleemax, and other 4E info/rumor sites, about demons, devils, and other &quot;fiendish&quot; stuff.&nbsp; There is at least one planetouched playable race in the upcoming 4E PHB with fiendish roots, and one of the more recent (and interesting) blog posts detailed the differences between devils and demons, and gave us a glimpse of the cosmology of the default 4E campaign setting.&nbsp; And it's all been a lot of fun to read; I do not diminish it.But I'm beginning to wonder if they should change the name of the game to Dungeons &amp; Demons.Seriously, why so quiet about dragons?&nbsp; Where is the draconic love?I am curious about the dragons in the upcoming edition on a game mechanic level, just like every other DM on the planet...how do these new talent trees, &quot;encounter-based abilities,&quot; and save throw modifications affect my serpentine villains?&nbsp; But I would also like to know a bit of fluff about these most-awesome beasties, as well...how do they fit into the game setting, what influence do they have on the &quot;Points of Light&quot; realm, and so forth.&nbsp; I would like to see a draconic playable race in the 4E PHB--more than I would have liked to see a tiefling, at least.&nbsp; Changlings?&nbsp; Eladrin?&nbsp; Give me a half-dragon, baby.&nbsp; Dragons are what this game is supposed to be about, man.Come on.&nbsp; We've got data and rumors up to our armpits on fiends, demons, devils, the hells and the abyss, the planar cosmology, the nature of evil and chaos.&nbsp; We've got more fire-wreathed and hellspawned rumors than we can shake our new-fangled wizard orbs at.&nbsp; Let's hear about the game's namesake monster....let's hear about the DRAGONS!Update 9/28: dragons got a brief, and indirect mention in Schubert's &quot;<a href="http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=208377" target="_blank">Slaad &amp; what the highest level monster in the MM isn't</a>&quot; post.&nbsp; In that thread, it was mentioned that the elder red (dragon) was not the highest-level monster in the MM , but that it was &quot;very close.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 3794059, member: 50987"] There is a lot of talk in this forum, as well as on blogs, Gleemax, and other 4E info/rumor sites, about demons, devils, and other "fiendish" stuff. There is at least one planetouched playable race in the upcoming 4E PHB with fiendish roots, and one of the more recent (and interesting) blog posts detailed the differences between devils and demons, and gave us a glimpse of the cosmology of the default 4E campaign setting. And it's all been a lot of fun to read; I do not diminish it. But I'm beginning to wonder if they should change the name of the game to Dungeons & Demons. Seriously, why so quiet about dragons? Where is the draconic love? I am curious about the dragons in the upcoming edition on a game mechanic level, just like every other DM on the planet...how do these new talent trees, "encounter-based abilities," and save throw modifications affect my serpentine villains? But I would also like to know a bit of fluff about these most-awesome beasties, as well...how do they fit into the game setting, what influence do they have on the "Points of Light" realm, and so forth. I would like to see a draconic playable race in the 4E PHB--more than I would have liked to see a tiefling, at least. Changlings? Eladrin? Give me a half-dragon, baby. Dragons are what this game is supposed to be [I]about[/I], man. Come on. We've got data and rumors up to our armpits on fiends, demons, devils, the hells and the abyss, the planar cosmology, the nature of evil and chaos. We've got more fire-wreathed and hellspawned rumors than we can shake our new-fangled wizard orbs at. Let's hear about the game's namesake monster....let's hear about the DRAGONS! [COLOR=DarkGreen][B]Update 9/28:[/B] dragons got a brief, and indirect mention in Schubert's "[URL=http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=208377]Slaad & what the highest level monster in the MM isn't[/URL]" post. In that thread, it was mentioned that the elder red (dragon) was not the highest-level monster in the MM , but that it was "very close."[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]

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