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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Raduin711" data-source="post: 4037693" data-attributes="member: 15303">Alright, so looking at the pit fiend again...These would appear to be the reference for non-proficient skills.  (I thought it interesting that now the order seems to put Wis after Dex, instead of between Int and Cha...)Str 32 (+24) Dex 24 (+20) Wis 20 (+18) Con 27 (+21) Int 22 (+19) Cha 28 (+22) If we space this out, and fill in the blanks, it is pretty clear that in 4e the bonus does go up every even number.  01..+0802..+0903..+0904..+1005..+1006..+1107..+1108..+1209..+1210..+1311..+1312..+1413..+1414..+1515..+1516..+1617..+1618..+1719..+1720..+1821..+1822..+1923..+1924..+2025..+2026..+2127..+2128..+2229..+2230..+2331..+2332..+24When you get back to 1 and 0, you are left at +8, which would imply that if 0-1 gives a +0 bonus in 4e, then the bonus he gets to his nonproficient skills for being a 26th level Elite Soldier (leader) whatever.  UNLESS bonuses start at 12 (and everything below that is just +0, probably) which would make his bonus... +13, which is half of 26.  As for proficient skills, it is probably a +5, since intimidate and bluff are 27, which is 5 over his nonproficiency for Charisma.  Religion is based off of Int it would appear, since his +24 is 5 over his int bonus.</blockquote>