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<blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6173503" data-attributes="member: 92511">I'm thinking it sounds a lil' something like this:Mage (Class Group)-Wizard (&quot;sub&quot; class, Mage with the Wizardry &quot;style&quot; of making magic). &quot;I study my spellbook and prepare/memorize my spells each day. I 'Fire n' Forget.' I am dependent on my Intelligence. My Spell slots per day increase by level. I am the master with access to all spells!&quot; --Illusionist. &quot;I'm a Wizard steeped in/focused on the Illusion Tradition. I receive x, y, z additional abilities/skills/effects/restrictions.&quot;--Necromancer (&quot; &quot; &quot; the Necromancy Tradition &quot; &quot; &quot;.)--Evoker (&quot; &quot; &quot; the Evocation Tradition &quot; &quot; &quot;.)-Sorcerer (&quot;sub&quot; class, Mage with the Sorcery style of making magic). &quot;I gots magic in me bones! I can 'make magic happen' whenever I like! I have 'Spontaneous casting.' I am dependent on my Charisma. But I still only have these Spell slots per day that increase by level and can only pick from this list.&quot;--Dragon Sorcerer. &quot;I'm a Sorcerer with a Dragon Bloodline/Origin/whatever. My innate sorcerous magical special snowflakeyness comes from draconic ancestry/training/access to that particular type of energy. I receive x, y, z abilities/skills/effects/restrictions.&quot;--Fairy Sorcerer. (&quot; &quot; &quot; Faye Bloodline/Origin/whatever &quot; &quot; &quot;)--Elementalist Sorcerer. (&quot; &quot; &quot; Elemental Bloodline/Origin/whatever &quot; &quot; &quot;)-Warlock (&quot;sub&quot; class, Mage with the Pact style of making magic). &quot;I couldn't be bothered with the studying and didn't get lucky in the blood/ancestry dept. So I just went straight for the power. I was imbued with magic from my super-magic patron and now I owe them...well, that's not your business. All of my magic is 'At will casting.' I am dependent on my Constitution [or whatever]. I have this much power per day to use however I want and it increases with level like this. I can only choose 'spells'/effects from this other list.&quot;--Devil Warlock. &quot;I'm a Warlock who made a Pact with a Devil. My magical powers are derived from a powerful [but ultimately wicked/evil] patron. I receive x, y, z abilities/skills/effects/restrictions.--Unseelie Warlock. (&quot; &quot; &quot;&nbsp; made a Pact with a Dark Sidhe Lord &quot; &quot; &quot;)--Null Warlock. (&quot; &quot; &quot; made a Pact with some Unknown Horror from beyond all space and time &quot; &quot; &quot;)Forcing Psionics in here, as I said in another thread, does not sit well with me because I have always considered them something different...a person with innate psychic powers and a person harnessing/weaving/shaping/conjuring/however you want to color it arcane energies are not the same kettle of fish to my eyes. BUT, I see the organizational benefit to &quot;shoehorning them in&quot; under Mage to maintain the &quot;Big Four from the top down&quot; structure. So, that in mind...I suppose something like this...-Psion (&quot;sub&quot; class, Mage with the Psionics style of making magic). &quot;I can't tell you how or why, I just know that when I concentrate/focus my mind in certain ways I make stuff happen. Mybe its some blessing of the gods...or some curse...maybe my grandpappy fooled around with a mind flayer. I don't know. Stuff just...happens. All of my &quot;magic&quot; is 'At will casting.' I am dependent&nbsp; on my Intelligence and Charisma [?]. I have this much power per day to use&nbsp; however I want until I am just too mentally exhausted to do any more and it increases with level like this. Ichoose my powers/effects from this other list over here. Yeah, some if it looks like the spells those flashy wizardy types use. But I just have to think about it.&quot;--Telepath.&nbsp; &quot;I'm a Psion with the Telepathy Discipline. I receive&nbsp; x, y, z abilities/skills/effects/restrictions.&quot;--Kineticist. (&quot; &quot; &quot;&nbsp; with the Telekinesis Discipline &quot; &quot; &quot;)--Seer. (&quot; &quot; &quot; with the Clairvoyance Discipline &quot; &quot; &quot;)[Artificer has no business being in a 1st PHB for 5e. It is a class introduced in/with Eberron and belongs in an Eberron setting book.]So on the &quot;Swords&quot; side of the genre you'd have: Warrior: Fighter-Barbarian, Paladin, Ranger...with,then, various sub-specialists of those classes....on the &quot;Magic&quot; sideMage: Wizard-Sorcerer, Warlock, Psion...with the above various sub-specialists....on the &quot;Skills&quot; side of things you'd haveRogue: Thief-Assassin, Bard, some other roguey guy and their specific specialist options.and in the &quot;Sacred/Faith&quot; corner...Priest: Cleric-Druid, Monk, something else with their specialties.Or maybe Rogue and Priest just get the 3 each, with Warriors and Mages getting 4. So, 14 initial classes in total with a veritable BEVY of options for particular types of each...and thats before you even start looking at non-weapon Skills or any other detailing options.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="steeldragons, post: 6173503, member: 92511"] I'm thinking it sounds a lil' something like this: Mage (Class Group) -Wizard ("sub" class, Mage with the Wizardry "style" of making magic). "I study my spellbook and prepare/memorize my spells each day. I 'Fire n' Forget.' I am dependent on my Intelligence. My Spell slots per day increase by level. I am the master with access to [I]all [/I]spells!" --Illusionist. "I'm a Wizard steeped in/focused on the Illusion Tradition. I receive x, y, z additional abilities/skills/effects/restrictions." --Necromancer (" " " the Necromancy Tradition " " ".) --Evoker (" " " the Evocation Tradition " " ".) -Sorcerer ("sub" class, Mage with the Sorcery style of making magic). "I gots magic in me bones! I can 'make magic happen' whenever I like! I have 'Spontaneous casting.' I am dependent on my Charisma. But I still only have these Spell slots per day that increase by level and can only pick from [I]this[/I] list." --Dragon Sorcerer. "I'm a Sorcerer with a Dragon Bloodline/Origin/whatever. My innate sorcerous magical special snowflakeyness comes from draconic ancestry/training/access to that particular type of energy. I receive x, y, z abilities/skills/effects/restrictions." --Fairy Sorcerer. (" " " Faye Bloodline/Origin/whatever " " ") --Elementalist Sorcerer. (" " " Elemental Bloodline/Origin/whatever " " ") -Warlock ("sub" class, Mage with the Pact style of making magic). "I couldn't be bothered with the studying and didn't get lucky in the blood/ancestry dept. So I just went straight for the power. I was imbued with magic from my super-magic patron and now I owe them...well, that's not your business. All of my magic is 'At will casting.' I am dependent on my Constitution [or whatever]. I have this much power per day to use however I want and it increases with level like this. I can only choose 'spells'/effects from [I]this other[/I] list." --Devil Warlock. "I'm a Warlock who made a Pact with a Devil. My magical powers are derived from a powerful [but ultimately wicked/evil] patron. I receive x, y, z abilities/skills/effects/restrictions. --Unseelie Warlock. (" " " made a Pact with a Dark Sidhe Lord " " ") --Null Warlock. (" " " made a Pact with some Unknown Horror from beyond all space and time " " ") Forcing Psionics in here, as I said in another thread, does not sit well with me because I have always considered them something different...a person with innate psychic powers and a person harnessing/weaving/shaping/conjuring/however you want to color it arcane energies are not the same kettle of fish to my eyes. BUT, I see the organizational benefit to "shoehorning them in" under Mage to maintain the "Big Four from the top down" structure. So, that in mind...I suppose something like this... -Psion ("sub" class, Mage with the Psionics style of making magic). "I can't tell you how or why, I just know that when I concentrate/focus my mind in certain ways I make stuff happen. Mybe its some blessing of the gods...or some curse...maybe my grandpappy fooled around with a mind flayer. I don't know. Stuff just...happens. All of my "magic" is 'At will casting.' I am dependent on my Intelligence [I]and[/I] Charisma [?]. I have this much power per day to use however I want until I am just too mentally exhausted to do any more and it increases with level like this. Ichoose my powers/effects from[I] this other list over here[/I]. Yeah, some if it looks like the spells those flashy wizardy types use. But I just have to think about it." --Telepath. "I'm a Psion with the Telepathy Discipline. I receive x, y, z abilities/skills/effects/restrictions." --Kineticist. (" " " with the Telekinesis Discipline " " ") --Seer. (" " " with the Clairvoyance Discipline " " ") [Artificer has no business being in a 1st PHB for 5e. It is a class introduced in/with Eberron and belongs in an Eberron setting book.] So on the "Swords" side of the genre you'd have: Warrior: Fighter -Barbarian, Paladin, Ranger...with,then, various sub-specialists of those classes. ...on the "Magic" side Mage: Wizard -Sorcerer, Warlock, Psion...with the above various sub-specialists. ...on the "Skills" side of things you'd have Rogue: Thief -Assassin, Bard, some other roguey guy and their specific specialist options. and in the "Sacred/Faith" corner... Priest: Cleric -Druid, Monk, something else with their specialties. Or maybe Rogue and Priest just get the 3 each, with Warriors and Mages getting 4. So, 14 initial classes in total with a veritable BEVY of options for particular types of each...and thats before you even start looking at non-weapon Skills or any other detailing options. [/QUOTE]

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