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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7160178" data-attributes="member: 97077">I mean, I get it. The issue with that term is that it confuses what &quot;challenge&quot; is in the context of this game. And that's a very fundamental concept in my opinion, something all DMs need to learn (among other things) but very few in my experience seem to understand. If you could find posts of mine from the WotC forums, you will most certainly find me saying stuff like &quot;challenge the characters,&quot; which was a common thing to say when D&amp;D 4e was the current edition. I have since learned that it's not a thing.It's not hard to remove the challenge at all, in terms of challenge that happens during game play. All you need to do is remove the need for a player to apply skill to overcoming the challenge. Rolling a die isn't skillful. Coming up with the action that will net you automatic success or at least allow you to roll for a chance at success is skillful. (I discuss &quot;reasonable specificity&quot; in my first post in this thread.) Difficulty, of course, is a separate but related matter.As for reading, manipulating, or gaming the DM, you would also find me arguing that point in old forum posts as I railed against &quot;DM Empowerment.&quot; I have since learned that these are acts of bad faith on the part of the player and the response to that is not to play with people who act in bad faith rather than go to the mechanics to help deal with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7160178, member: 97077"] I mean, I get it. The issue with that term is that it confuses what "challenge" is in the context of this game. And that's a very fundamental concept in my opinion, something all DMs need to learn (among other things) but very few in my experience seem to understand. If you could find posts of mine from the WotC forums, you will most certainly find me saying stuff like "challenge the characters," which was a common thing to say when D&D 4e was the current edition. I have since learned that it's not a thing. It's not hard to remove the challenge at all, in terms of challenge that happens during game play. All you need to do is remove the need for a player to apply skill to overcoming the challenge. Rolling a die isn't skillful. Coming up with the action that will net you automatic success or at least allow you to roll for a chance at success is skillful. (I discuss "reasonable specificity" in my first post in this thread.) Difficulty, of course, is a separate but related matter. As for reading, manipulating, or gaming the DM, you would also find me arguing that point in old forum posts as I railed against "DM Empowerment." I have since learned that these are acts of bad faith on the part of the player and the response to that is not to play with people who act in bad faith rather than go to the mechanics to help deal with it. [/QUOTE]

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